Re: [CNET] Bill Joy announces Sun's Jxta Position

From: Adam Rifkin (
Date: Sat Feb 17 2001 - 22:14:08 PST

Dave wrote:
> Adam, the war metaphors are really getting weak.

I know, you're a lover not a fighter. :)

> We've got some older people who are refusing to grow up. They still
> think they can dominate.

Perhaps they can. Change is not a given, and perhaps change isn't even
necessary. The more I live, the more I appreciate evolution.

> Some of the press people think that's some kind of story. In fact the
> warriors are routed around. Independent developers have more and more
> power every time we iterate.

Why do independent developers need power? Someone who's independent is
able to do whatever they want anyway, right?

I'm going to steal from Steve Jobs' "conspiracy speech" in his interview
with Wired five years ago:

When you're young, you look at software companies and think, There's a
conspiracy. The dominant firms have conspired to dumb us down. But when
you get a little older, you realize that's not true. The software
companies are in business to give people exactly what they want. That's
a far more depressing thought. Conspiracy is optimistic! You can shoot
the bastards! We can have a revolution! But the companies who dominate
our industry are really in business to give people what they want. It's
the truth.

> Did you see David Stutz's responses to Joy's taunts?

Nope, had to get back to work.

> He basically said "We have more work to do, Windows could be much
> better." I was blown away by that. I doubt that Solaris has any
> protection from the kind of viruses that are traveling around the Net
> now. Can I send a script as an enclosure to a Solaris user? Can the
> Solaris user run it? If so, well how did Sun's security expertise
> protect me? These are all things that Stutz could have countered
> with. Instead he took the high road, and said something that's
> obviously true. Of course Microsoft can do better. And so can
> Sun. That's true of everyone, it's not a profound statement. ;->
> ...
> I talked with Ann Thomas Manes after that session, and played 20
> Questions on their JXTA plan. It's open. Just like .NET. It threatens
> no one and nothing. That's good. Yet old habits die slowly.

If Sun and Microsoft are making positive moves in the right direction,
what's the problem?

> I've been waiting for this moment for a long time. I guess peace is
> always fragile, but now it seems so strong, no matter what they
> concoct, or how much they try to ignore SOAP or Java, they're still
> there, Java is unplugged, so is Microsoft's complicated maze of
> language products. We're still climbing Moore's curve, so there should
> be plenty of growth for everyone, for Sun, Microsoft and independent
> companies like yours and mine.

Smells like Nirvana.

> Following this logic, I'm gratified that both parties ignore XML-RPC.

Shhhhhh. The last thing a free bird should do is loudly sing about how
happy he is; that's how happy birds end up in cats' bellies.

[Also remember that kittie heaven is birdie hell. :]

> That can be the pillar of independent developers, if you want it. Our
> guarantee that no matter how much the gorillas try to fight it out, we
> still have the power to be compatibile, without worrying about their
> little war games.

XML-RPC is great for most peoples' XML RPC needs.

My only problem is that I've spent the last decade trying to free
the world from the synchronous request/reply model of programming.

My applications need asynchronous messaging.

And there's no reason for me to invent an asynchronous XML messaging
standard, because SOAP 1.1 gets the job done very cleanly. 10,000 Kudos.


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