From: Gene A. Nelson (email@example.com)
Date: Thu Jun 08 2000 - 15:22:39 PDT
Dear CC: list
Since Joachim has such strong feelings about this, I performed a bit of
research on the web. Here is what I learned:
Feise.txt from this url.
Who I am and what I do:
Occupation: Software Engineer at Eagle Creek Systems,
Inc., Fallbrook, CA, a Microsoft Solution Provider
Certifications: Microsoft Certified Solution Developer, 1997
Education: Diplom-Informatik Degree, TU Berlin, Germany, 1993 (equivalent to Master's Degree in Computer Science)
Master's Degree in Information and Computer Science, University of California, Irvine, 1998
Graduate Student in Computer Science at the University of California, Irvine (seeking a Ph.D.)
Also a private aircraft pilot.
I will leave it to those reading this message to draw inferences regarding the likely
immigration status of Joachim. Such inferences could help to explain his perspective.
The final note suggests something regarding Joachim's economic class. When
my wife checked into becoming a private pilot, she found it to be very expensive.
Gene A. Nelson, Ph.D. A BrainSaver in Dallas, Texas
From: Norm Matloff[SMTP:firstname.lastname@example.org]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 4:43 PM
To: email@example.com; Mark Mendlovitz
Cc: EricSherman@alum.mit.edu; Norm Matloff; firstname.lastname@example.org; email@example.com; firstname.lastname@example.org; email@example.com; firstname.lastname@example.org; email@example.com; firstname.lastname@example.org; email@example.com; firstname.lastname@example.org; KFran95011@aol.com; RobSanz@worldnet.att.net; email@example.com; DamonScott@cs.ucdavis.edu; Adam L. Beberg; FoRK; firstname.lastname@example.org; RRivers297@aol.com; email@example.com
Subject: Re: National Sign-On Letter to House on H-1Bs, U.S. Immigration
Joe wrote to someone (I don't recall who)
I don't consider anybody resorting to personal attacks worthy of my
He now says:
> Of course, Mr. Matloff Cc'ed his original answer to everyone on his
> list of anti-immigration advocates.
That sounds pretty _ad hominem_ to me, Joe, attacking both me and the
people I cc-ed.
Joe, let's keep in mind that the only reason I am part of this e-mail
exchange is that you cc-ed *me*. Prior to your cc-ing me, I was not
a participant in the exchange.
I do maintain an e-mail list on the age discrimination/H-1B topic. It's
a lot larger than the few you see here, by the way, and it includes a
a lot of immigrants who have experienced the problems I have been
> Just a consideration: maybe recruiting at UCD is down because the people
> already have jobs.
No. According to our Internship and Career Center, fewer have job
offers now than at the same time last year.
> It is known that all US universities have problems getting graduate students
> because of the worker shortage.
This was true in the early 1990s, when there was no alleged worker
People don't go to grad school because there is no incentive for them
to do so. They are making very rational decisions.
> And why is the fact that a CEO said that they screen people something
> newsworthy? This happens all the time, in all industries. People apply for
> jobs they don't have the qualifications for, and they are screened out
> during the process.
If an employer were desperate to hire programmers (which is what they
claim), they would not reject experienced programmers without even an
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