Re: O'Reilly, again

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From: Strata Rose Chalup (
Date: Tue Aug 22 2000 - 23:22:17 PDT


I'm sorry to hear that you're feeling bad.

Can you shed some light on why Manila and Blogger should be considered
"competitors"? I have looked at, and registered with, both
and, and the two services look very different to me.

Manila/Userland seems to be all about hosting a special kind of site at
a provider, via cgi's running on their site. Blogger is a little
scripty thing that I can use to update a special page on my own site,
via a cgi that they run on their site. One is for an all-inclusive
environment where you are going to edit everything within a space and
host it there. The other is an add-on to one particular page/pageset of
a space, hosted anywhere.

What don't I understand about the vision for Manila, the vision for
Blogger, and where they might intersect?


PS- I want to try radio userland, but I am on a linux box most of the
time...when will *we* get to play with these toys?

Dave Winer wrote:
> This evening I learned that O'Reilly invested in Pyra, who makes Blogger,
> which competes head-on with Manila. While we were working with O'Reilly, at
> times very intensely, and always for free, they were betting on our
> competitor. Needless to say this should have been disclosed. I have a very
> sick feeling in my stomach this evening, this hurts so much you can't
> believe. BTW, O'Reilly is a much bigger company than UserLand. I feel so
> damned used. Dave

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Director of Network Operations            |       VirtualNet Consulting
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