Re: MSIE/Mac in P2P mode

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From: Rohit Khare (
Date: Wed Dec 27 2000 - 11:42:14 PST

At 8:46 AM -0800 12/27/00, Dave Winer wrote:
>First, I apologize if you receive multiple copies of this email.

As do I -- but the issue is simply that urgent. In fact, it's
crippled the performance of Windows 2000 as well, since that
configuration starves Apache+Perl as well.

Our startup depends on local HTTP microservers, just like UPnP,
Napster, Gnutella, and a slew of other schemes. When I can put two
implementations side by side and see 200 SOAP transactions per second
on Win2K with a separate server on the LAN plummet to 4 events per
second with the server on the same CPU, we have a problem. I can also
confirm Dave's Mac experience.

I am hopeful, though. We've seen Explorer grow into a great product,
and I know at least David Stutz can attest to what we've been able to
inspire it to. We just haven't had a generation of developers ship
"applications" as local proxy servers. When we make it clear how
useful this technique is, we can shut up and let our customers do the

I would be glad to extend any assistance we can in testing and
resolving these issues.

   Rohit Khare
   CEO, KnowNow Inc.
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>I'm hoping enough Microsoft people see this so that the problem is
>fixed, it's an important area for future Web development, esp in
>regards to P2P apps, where the server and the client are often
>running on the same machine.
>***Concise statement of the problem
>When accessing a server on the local machine, MSIE/Mac doesn't yield
>enough time to allow the server to do its processing. The net result
>is a glacial pace, when it should be lightning fast. The addition of
>a single system call to the loop that's waiting for a response from
>the server would probably cure the problem.
>This problem isn't present on MSIE/Win or Netscape/Mac, it only
>effects Mac MSIE users. Our only recourse for people who use our new
>"desktop website" software on the Mac will be to switch to Netscape,
>which doesn't have the problem. I'm not going to suggest that they
>switch to Windows, I'll let Microsoft do that. ;->
>More discussion is here.
>PS: I don't like the banging on pots and pans approach to getting
>attention of vendors. But Microsoft is not moving in browsers, esp
>on the Mac, and if this is what they respond to, so be it.

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