Re: [CNET] Web services -- a 2001 thing?

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From: Dave Winer (
Date: Sat Dec 30 2000 - 11:58:10 PST

James it's all fluff. The people they write about are the ones that aren't
doing it, and the ones who are never get written about. Dave

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From: "James Tauber" <>
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Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [CNET] Web services -- a 2001 thing?

> > It's a little curious that the article below spends all of its time on
> > the Big Five (Microsoft, Oracle, IBM, Sun, and HP) and none of its time
> > mentioning the young new companies -- all started in the last 5 years --
> > who are the real voices of innovation in Web Services: BEA Systems,
> > Ariba, CommerceOne, webMethods, and Bowstreet.
> With the exception of Bowstreet, the new companies you mention haven't
> really come out saying much about web services until recently (at least
> by that name). UDDI was the first time I heard Ariba talk about web
> services. I haven't heard BEA or CommerceOne talk about them. Although
> they've been doing relevant stuff for a while, I haven't heard webMethods
> talk about web services as such until recently.
> Bowstreet started talking about web services (by that name) in 1998.
> Microsoft probably around the same time. IBM a little later. HP probably
> beat all of them (although using the name e-services).
> The Gartner report cited in the article listed HP, IBM, Bowstreet and
> Microsoft as the web service visionaries, placing Oracle and Sun well
> (and making no mention of the other companies from memory).
> So it doesn't surprise me to see HP, IBM and Microsoft talked about.
> Bowstreet often gets mentioned in similar articles. Interestingly, CNET's
> article announcing Oracle's plans at
> says:
> "The Web services vision has long been touted by Oracle,
> Hewlett-Packard, Sun Microsystems, IBM and start-ups such as Bowstreet.
> Microsoft jumped on the bandwagon over the summer with its plan to tie
> Windows closer to the Web."
> which I think is a little unfair to Microsoft!
> James

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