Re: Squeak: Smalltalk is still fun!

Ron Resnick (
Sun, 03 Jan 1999 09:32:09 +0200

Dan Connolly wrote:
> IBM alphaworks has done enough cool stuff with Java and XML

Yes. See also Sun's recently announced Project X.

> that I want to get Java development tools on my desktop
> again.

Again? Where did they go? Darn JDK always wandering off... mobile
objects, humph. I suggest the old ball-n'-chain technique - crude
but effective.

> So I went surfing for +linux +Java. is the "definitive" JDK on Linux, though OpenGroup
has a port too. Currently supported is JDK1.1.7 on x86,PPC, with
older JDK1.1s on Sparc & Alpha. Green& native threads as of 1.1.7.
JDK1.2 is expected out on Intel from blackdown within the month.

Blackdown is also a good source of general Linux/Java info - they
have links for IDEs, JITs and other tools, and they run a pretty
decent mailing list.

You realize that Sun is now recongizing Linux as an "official"
platform? (That apparently boils down to donating a couple of
Sun engineers to work directly with the Blackdown folks, early
source releases, etc.)

You may also want to check for "big iron" (eg
Java/Linux. They're also starting to bang the Jini drum.

> The most
> interesting thing I found was Squeak. Kept me up till 4am.

IMHO, and this is just an opinion, Squeak will suffer the same
fate as Smalltalk itself, Objective-C, Python, Eiffel and all the
other 'really cool but not-quite-mainstream' OO languages. A small,
zealous developer community, a handful of moderately successful
shops doing apps & support, but never really going anywhere.
Languages are about 1-per-half-decade. The early 80s belonged to C,
the late 80s & early 90s to C++, the mid-90s-to early-00s to Java.
Squeak doesn't have a niche right now - Java is just "good enough",
and too widespread to be taken down soon.

Oh, and sorry for disturbing your Busy-ness. Automated response
received recently from Daniel W. Connolly:

> Subject:
> Re: Mobile Document Application Lanugage (IBM research)
> Date:
> Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:15:19 -0500
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Unless you count the garbage I send you via the FoRK archive.

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Take your time, April 2004 should be fine.

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Well, we wouldn't want that now!

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Hogtown doin' it.

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Nobbin' with the finest in New England

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Whooosh! the wind!

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Gee, the spammers are quaking. "I intend to sue" - somehow
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So how much trouble am I in here, anyway? Can we just settle out
of court?