RE: Squeak: Smalltalk is still fun!

Gavin Thomas Nicol (
Sun, 3 Jan 1999 10:09:32 -0500

> yeah... but that doesn't mean it actually works. I am
> yet to get any interesting apps to build and run.
> (Actually, I cheated: I haven't installed the blackdown
> JDK. I installed Kaffe, cuz the download time wasn't
> as scary. I'd like to hear a 1st-hand success story
> before I spend the time/disk space to deal with the
> blackdown JDK)

I just downloaded 1.1.7a (glibc) for RedHat 5.1 and it worked fine.
I had a few hassles with Kaffe before, hence the preference
for using 1.1.7a.

There are a number of projects out there using Java. I've
seen quite a few servers (one is a Java version of Apache),
ORB implementations, a few frameworks for XML serialization,
to name a few

There's lot's of stuff out there, but most of it doesn't
quite pass muster.... they're either trivial, poor quality,
or run too slowly (method invocations, class loading times
and object instantiation seem especially slow, even in JIT