RE: Freedom from Microsoft != Freedom from Intel.

I Find Karma (
Sun, 22 Jun 97 16:20:58 PDT

> > Notice the subject line. It's not Microsoft alone who is the culprit in
> > our many-crashed machines. Part of the problem is that these Intel
> > boxes --- "state-of-the-art dual processor 200MHz PPros" --- shipped
> > with these cruddy $3000 graphics chips that are allegedly optimized to
> > OpenGL but suck for everything else. Poor NT 4.0 didn't know what hit
> > it; it tried its hardest to deal with this newbie Intel architecture,
> > but there's only so much you can do in software, right?
> Just so we know, who made theses wonderful machines?

Intel and/or NetPower. JoeK or DanZ?

> > I know JoeK's NetBSD machine has only crashed once in its tenure, and
> > that was due to Quake.
> BSDI P-Pro rocks.

You got that right.

> > Unfortunately, these machines were donated. If I had to buy, I would
> > buy an Alpha or a Mac.
> Depends what you need it for.

Working: writing papers, making slide presentations, running Java
networked programs, websurfing, email...

> > Darn, check out the cool specs:
> >
> > TWICE the performance of Pentium IIs at half the price. Runs
> > Intel-running software in emulation mode faster than Intel-running
> > software running on the Pentium IIs in native mode. Runs NT or Linux
> > natively. Designed for 64-bit, realtime MPEG1 authoring, host-based
> > DVD/MPEG2 playback *drool*
> So show me where I can get a Alpha for $800 and I'll buy 4 of 'em. You can
> get Dell P-Pro's from the Dell referb center for around $1600.

Um... you're gonna have to buy 1000 of them to get em for $500 apiece.
A friend of mine says...

> From Sun Jun 22 15:48:12 1997
> To: (I Find Karma)
> This may not be what you had in mind, but new Alpha based clones are
> made by Aspen Systems and sell for under $10,000 for 500MHz machines.
> There web page is Cheaper systems should be available
> this summer based on the new 21164PC 533MHz chip from DEC. That chip
> sells for $500 in lots of 1000, and systems are expected to cost
> around $3000.


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grok what it's all about. It takes a passionate commitment to really
thoroughly understand something, chew it up, not just quickly swallow
it. Most people don't take the time to do that.
-- Steve Jobs