Re: MSW3C Software

Tim Byars (
Sat, 12 Dec 1998 15:52:06 -0800

At 6:36 PM -0500 12/12/98, Daniel Veillard put forth the following:

>> And the W3C, the "standards" body is releasing software that the majority
>> of web developers can't run. So how effective a standards body is it that
>> ignores a majority?
> Yeah, I love this school of thought ... Considering that 95% or the users
> looking at the web does it from a Windows machine, all W3C work should be
> designed to give best result in that environment.

Clearly. Otherwise how do you explain sRGB.

> Sorry by starting with
> "MSW3C" you started suggesting this. Then since the authoring environment
> is obviously Machintoshes, then this extremely important point should be
> taken into account each time someone at W3C does anything related to
> authoring.

Yes it should. Until Mac reaches a - 30% authoring the W3C include it in
all it's releass.

> Amaya/Thot was initially Unix based for the 12 first years of
> this code base. Porting to Windows had been asked by paying members of
> W3C (otherwise I guess it would have stayed an Unix only codebase).

> I guess
> we got only half a dozen personal request for a Mac port in the last 3
> years. Your "majority of developpers" doesn't seems that interested,
> or at least not very vocal.

How much did the W3C actively elicit responses from the Mac community? Not
much I would guess.

> Another point is that your stupid rant on FoRK is definitely not the
> proper place to get thing to improve. It just allows you to show to your
> small community how much a martyr you are and how bad this evil
> Redmond' controlled W3C is. Child attitude, but well in line with the
> average american behaviour when they face something which trouble
> their own little ego.

What stupid rant? My point is, and has been the W3C continues to act like
Microsofts pet project. The largest developer for Macintosh is Microsoft.
Their annual revenue on Macintosh alone is around 700 million. So the W3C
which is a standards body for developers *not* users "looking at the web"
should act a little more like a unpartisan supporters of pure standards.

>> Also, I'm glad to see personal prejudice doesn't enter into your thinking.
> I suggest that you send a mail to Vincent Quint, candicating for a full-
> time job porting Amaya on the Mac platform during next year, with an
> INRIA based salary. Then I will accept your rants about "personal prejudice".
> In the meantime, you're not well-placed to bash W3C staff about personal
> prejudice,

Really? Well you have to understand that the British lawyers that started
this whole country set it up so average Americans with their childish
attitudes and little ego's would feel free to speak up when they feel like



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