From: Jeff Bone (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Tue Sep 12 2000 - 20:29:22 PDT
> And if you want to follow Neitzche about the 'everyone is selfish'
> thing (which I totally agree with, BTW),
No, hold on, I never invoked Neitzche, I already said I find nihilists tedious and unfun. Rand,
> then the "host" (laughing about a
> friend's shrit which defines a fetus as a parasite) is selfishly hoping
> that all of this will end soon and she can get some sleep, bottom line.
> But underlying that, the parent does see herself in the child, in every
> move, every sound, every burp, and hopes that the child will do a little
> better, and knows that this relationship is one that won't go away...till
> death do us part... Scary?
No, transference. ;-) Why relive your childhood vicariously when, in fact, you never have to let go
of it in the first place?
> Hell, yeah, be scared, cause lemme tell you
> something: your child WILL be smarter than you are.
Wouldn't take much.
> She will push buttons
> you never knew you had,
Great, I've been looking for yet another thing to push my buttons.
> trick you at your most vulnerable moments, and
> make you want to buy yourself (OR HER) an island. That shit about parents
> giving their kids guilt trips is bullshit. It's the other way around.
Keep going, you're really selling me here.
> But, damn, there's no reward like seeing your child do well and feel good
> about herself and her world.
How about doing well and feeling good about *yourself* and *your world?*
> But, just like you had to, she has to
> struggle and rebel and raise hell to find her place and do the work she
> has ahead of her. The thing that's the hardest for parents to realize is
> that their kids, every step of the way, are trying to make their parents
Oh, come on. When they fling their own shit on the walls at age .637 years, there isn't a thought
going through their head except, maybe if the kid's a prodigy, some fuzzy version of "ooh, poopy me
fly go make WHEEE!"
Again, you're arguing from a perspective of the child having some self-sufficiency, identity, etc.
I'm arguing from the perspective that I think it's hand-waving to even call them human until some
time significantly post-speech. I just don't see the win in getting from A to B. There are much
easier ways to make friends than to *create* them yourself.
> I can't get it through my head until I think about the motives for
> many things I've done, which were to make my parents proud. So, it's back
> to pride, and back to love, but the bitching about diapers goes away as
> soon as the diapers do. It's really a symbiotic relationship;
Hmm, love me, love my E. Coli.
> currency is just not as defined as you'd like it to be. But you'll get
> yours. (:
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