Web Services: Its So Crazy, It Just Might Not Work

Mike Dierken mike@DataChannel.com
Tue, 31 Jul 2001 13:09:45 -0700


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I think he means RMI in the general sense - as in RPC.

Think outside the closed box, Dave.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Winer [mailto:dave@userland.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 1:05 PM
> To: Clay Shirky; Mike Dierken
> Cc: fork@xent.com
> Subject: Re: Web Services: Its So Crazy, It Just Might Not Work
> 
> 
> RMI is a closed box. 
> 
> Good for Java-to-Java apps.
> 
> Too bad not all developers use Java.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Clay Shirky" <clay@shirky.com>
> To: "Mike Dierken" <mike@DataChannel.com>
> Cc: <fork@xent.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 12:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Web Services: Its So Crazy, It Just Might Not Work
> 
> 
> > > Loose coupling and remote method invocation sound like they are
> > > opposites.  But I suppose anything to help loosen the 
> coupling in an
> > > RMI/RPC situation will help.
> > 
> > Channeling the spirits of FoRK, I think Dave's answer would 
> be "That's
> > what I've been saying for years" while Mark's would be "Nothing will
> > help, because the brokeness is in the idea of RPC, not in the
> > implementations."
> > 
> > I guess what I'm trying to handicap is: is RMI like 
> hypertext, an old
> > idea just waiting for the right environment, or is it like video
> > phones, a technological capability its putative users have no actual
> > use for?
> > 
> > -clay
> > 
> > 
> > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork
> 

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RE: Web Services: Its So Crazy, It Just Might Not Work



I think he means RMI in the general sense - as in = RPC.

Think outside the closed box, Dave.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Winer [mailto:dave@userland.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 1:05 PM
> To: Clay Shirky; Mike Dierken
> Cc: fork@xent.com
> Subject: Re: Web Services: Its So Crazy, It = Just Might Not Work
>
>
> RMI is a closed box.
>
> Good for Java-to-Java apps.
>
> Too bad not all developers use Java.
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Clay Shirky" = <clay@shirky.com>
> To: "Mike Dierken" = <mike@DataChannel.com>
> Cc: <fork@xent.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 12:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Web Services: Its So Crazy, It = Just Might Not Work
>
>
> > > Loose coupling and remote method = invocation sound like they are
> > > opposites.  But I suppose = anything to help loosen the
> coupling in an
> > > RMI/RPC situation will help.
> >
> > Channeling the spirits of FoRK, I think = Dave's answer would
> be "That's
> > what I've been saying for years" = while Mark's would be "Nothing will
> > help, because the brokeness is in the idea = of RPC, not in the
> > implementations."
> >
> > I guess what I'm trying to handicap is: is = RMI like
> hypertext, an old
> > idea just waiting for the right = environment, or is it like video
> > phones, a technological capability its = putative users have no actual
> > use for?
> >
> > -clay
> >
> >
> > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork
>

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