Re[3]: Why "loss of productivity" is NOT an issue

Tue, 31 Jul 2001 17:56:33 -0700

Hello CDale,

Tuesday, July 31, 2001, 5:39:41 PM, you wrote:

C> Yeah, get new friends, and where the hell do you work?  If they're that
C> evil outside, I can only imagine how childish they are inside the
C> workplace.  Or maybe these people are marketters?  -duck- (:
C> C

Most of this isn't even work. ITs at the local coffeehouses I hang out
at.  The sucky deal is, I usually have to end up walking on the whole
affair, even if the convo is excellent, because smokers in CA have
gotten bitchy since they're not allowed to smoke inside anymore. They
tend to take it out on those of us who don't feel like breathing the
hundreds of toxins.

C> On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, carey wrote:

>> Hello Jeff,
>> Tuesday, July 31, 2001, 1:00:00 PM, you wrote:
>> JB> Here's the deal:  I won't smoke in your house, or your office, and you won't
>> JB> put Zyclon B in my shower.  I'll respect your *reasonable* expectation of clean
>> JB> air, generally, and you respect my *reasonable* expectation of being able to
>> JB> pollute my own, and designated public, airspaces.  How's that?  Seems equitable
>> JB> to me.  On the other hand, if you come into my bar where I allow smoking and,
>> JB> 30 years later, you get lung cancer...  tough titty, kitty.
>> So fine.. I accept your deal. What happens with the smokers who don't
>> feel like even doing that?  OR here's one that I face every fucking
>> day:  I go sit out side (because last time I checked, the outside was
>> not totally owned by the smokers;).  SMoker A is directly holding
>> their cancer stick in my immediate vicinity.  They breathe their
>>     pollution in my face and look at me like I'm the one with the
>>     complex.  It violates your 'pollutes your own' bit quite a bit,
>> yet it continually happens each and every time I go out.  Nagging them
>> does nothing. Usually , it leads to the lovely effect known as 'smoker
>> gang-up' where all smokers surround me, and blow nasty smoke in my
>> face.  OR friends get offended (imagine that, offended because I don't
>> want to die of their habit) and purposely get rude about it.
>> Bah.
>> Unfortunately Jeff, most folks aren't that nice.  And most folks I
>> deal with that smoke tend to get pissy as fuck about being told to
>> redirect their habit.  Or not smoke in my car /personal space/ house.
>> I'm sure the natural response will be 'get new friends'.  Bah.
>> </rant>
>> JB>

Best regards,