Okey, I herewith coin a term for entities like this ( heads simultaneously in the sand and up the wazoo): Sandy Bottoms. -- #ken P-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Apache Software Foundation http://www.apache.org/ "Apache Server for Dummies" http://Apache-Server.Com/ "Apache Server Unleashed" http://ApacheUnleashed.Com/