Current stance, after a few weeks of contemplation

[Tom]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Russell Turpin wrote:

--]Tom Whore writes:
--]>We have never , ever, not since it started, seen a real and definitive end 
--]>of the Crusades.
--]
--]French Revolution. For the western nations, fighting over
--]religion gasped its last with the ancien regime.


SO the rest of the world stopped as well? If so how do you explain current
situations?

--]>We are still fighting over the holy lands ..
--]
--]Who is "we"?

I am using the global we, as in we here on earth, as in we how are in the
area of effect of a nuke going off:)-

We as in we are tied to each other no matter how much that displeases
some, we as in breaking some eggs to make an omlette.

We, as in you , me etc etc etc. 

--]over this. I think the average American would side with
--]Jeff Bone on this. IF -- that is a big IF -- all this
--]fighting really is over a few square miles of earth,
--]imbued with mumbo-jumbo sentiment, and IF the fighting
--]could be resolved forever by dropping a large thermonuclear
--]bomb on Jerasulem, let's set the date, give everyone time
--]to move out, and then turn the Holy Mount, Holy Sepulchre,
--]Holy Rock, Holy Site, Holy Temple, Holy Mosque, and Holy
--]all if it into holy smithereens, leaving behind only a
--]glow-in-the-dark crater, using a little cobalt to make sure
--]it remains uninhabitable for a century or two.


Then we realize that the few squre miles of land now have beomce real
estate Matyrs for the Cause (fill in which ever you want)

You can kill the land bu the mindset will flurish.


--]The western nations no longer have a view of god.

So the western nations are able to stand int he face of the rest of the
world hold up thier thumbs and say "SHIELDS UP FOREVER" ?

WE are connected in very real and documented ways with GodCentric nation
states and forces (forces) such that we are supporting some, abmonishing
others and funding many of them to various aims.

I assert that we are ostriching our view of god with, at best, a
pantheonic view and at worst a blind fall back to that old tyme religion.



--]Your analysis was good pre-Enlightenment. Today, it is a
--]couple of centuries out of date. Much of the Islamic world
--]still thinks this way. But if they think this is a battle
--]of Christendom vs. Islam, they are sadly mistaken.
--]


KNowing WHY and HOW the side thats bombing you is NEVER a mistake.
Understanding the ressons and wherefores can totaly open your mind to
avenues of action undreamt of in your "enlightened" state.

Do not be so quick to think we are any more advanced than we were hundreds
of years go in all ways of thinking. You can chnage the clothes, change
the names and dityes, even add tech to taste, but under many folks systems
of being there is still, (yes even in "enlightend western" countrys) a
base of values predicated on a god of some sort and its laws.

-tom