Arundhati Roy on September 11

Max Dunn
Fri, 5 Oct 2001 20:05:28 -0700

I agree that this article is absolutely worthless.  Isn't she a fiction
writer?  She dumbs down history to the level of a comic book.  

-----Original Message-----
From: [] On Behalf Of
Stephen D. Williams
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 5:31 AM
To: Jean Jordaan
Subject: Re: Arundhati Roy on September 11

While I would fully agree that many covert or otherwise dimly perceived,

in the US, actions by the US government were often ill conceived and ill

fated, that doesn't mean there was no reason or useful effect.

This diatribe has zero acknowledgment of any motive, success of any 
kind, or culpability by others.  That is completely unacceptable.  If 
people in other countries can't even see or acknowledge that there were 
logical, positive motives in all actions the US, and often really the 
UN, has taken, they are being both dishonest and willfully ignorant.

Go ahead and argue with the goals, like fighting the Communism meme 
(Soviet Union, Korea, Cuba, et al) or controlling imperial invasion 
(Iraq-Kuwait), or genocide (Kosovo, Serbia), but don't act like we just 
fucked the world up because we are big and powerful.  We're not killing 
children in Iraq, Saddam is, and the population is letting him, helping 
him.  America has always had an isolationist instinct, but there are 
those that convince us, apparently, that a few chess moves down the road

we're going to be screwed if we don't get involved.  This was certainly 
true with Communism.  It was certainly true in WWI/WWII.  It is now true

of 'militant Muslims' that essentially believe that we fundamentally 
shouldn't exist and are constantly working toward our removal.  It 
doesn't matter how they got to that point because it isn't a point they 
will negotiate.  That meme now has to be eradicated purely out of 
self-defense, which is a right that everyone recognizes.  Telling us we 
created the monster all by ourselves so we should just let it run its 
course or try to placate it is disingenuous and not even within reason.

We spend a lot of our own effort, money, and resources trying to help 
the rest of the world.  The world of crazy people with primitive 
beliefs, governments, and viewpoints who are constantly trying to kill 
each other.  It's often a no-win situation but we seem to feel we help 
more than we hurt or at least prevent even worse results.  Don't blame 
us for trying and get off your ass and take care of some of the mess 


Jean Jordaan wrote:

> Most of these points have been made on this list. Arundhati is very
> critical of the US, but not I think unfairly so.
> -----Original Message-----
> 	Arundhati Roy
> 	Guardian
> 	Saturday September 29, 2001
> 	In the aftermath of the unconscionable September 11 suicide
> attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Centre, an American
> newscaster said: "Good and evil rarely manifest themselves as clearly
> they did last Tuesday. People who we don't know massacred people who
> do. And they did so with contemptuous glee." Then he broke down and
> wept.

> 	Now Bush and Bin Laden have even begun to borrow each other's
> rhetoric. Each refers to the other as "the head of the snake". Both
> invoke God and use the loose millenarian currency of good and evil as
> their terms of reference. Both are engaged in unequivocal political
> crimes. Both are dangerously armed - one with the nuclear arsenal of
> obscenely powerful, the other with the incandescent, destructive power
> of the utterly hopeless. The fireball and the ice pick. The bludgeon
> the axe. The important thing to keep in mind is that neither is an
> acceptable alternative to the other.
> 	President Bush's ultimatum to the people of the world - "If
> you're not with us, you're against us" - is a piece of presumptuous
> arrogance. It's not a choice that people want to, need to, or should
> have to make.
> 	C Arundhati Roy 2001

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