Current stance, after a few weeks of contemplation. was Re: Why Do They Hate Us?

Johan Hjelm johan.hjelm@era-t.ericsson.se
Wed, 31 Oct 2001 17:21:42 +0900


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Cancer gardening?

Jeff Bone wrote:

> For once, I agree with Paul.  At the risk of being a labeled a cultural
> bigot --- and with the defense that these things *can* be measured
> quantitatively, via economic quality-of-life metrics --- it's become
> entirely clear to me over the last several weeks that the current culture,
> sociopolitical context, and economic impact of same that the Taliban (and,
> more generally, the "extremist" or maybe really the mainstream
> man-on-the-street fundamentalist Middle Eastern Islamists) endorse is
> fundamentally incompatible with the things we hold as fundamental and dear
> principles in the West.
>
> We are engaging militarily in order to discredit / defeat / destroy ---
> however impractical this may be --- a way of life and set of memes that
> poses a fundamental threat to "our" (i.e. our culture's) own continued
> existence.  Radical, political Islam is a cancer which Western civilization
> must cut out in order to survive.  Let us hope it has not metastasized too
> thoroughly to be eliminated.
>
> We can namby-pamby around the issues in an attempt to avoid the perception
> non-PC cultural myopia and to give lip service to multiculturalism, but
> indeed doing so may be engaging in even more dangerous cultural myopia.  At
> the end of the day I have come to believe that this is a clash to the death
> of cultures, secular-Western vs. Islamist-Eastern.  Islam per se may not be
> a "killer religion" as Howard Bloom and others have labeled it, but
> Islam-meets-government in the seething cultural stew of the Arab world has
> *clearly* evolved to become a killer memetic culture medium.  Note that
> this isn't a slam against Islam, rather a slam against what "street Islam"
> has become in many nations of the world for any number of reasons.  (For
> the record, I believe Zionism and puritanism are equally dangerous though
> perhaps just slightly less directly threatening.)
>
> Having said that, let me say that I still think ethnic profiling at
> airports is foolish and ineffective, and that I still think we need to hold
> the Israelis to the same humanitarian standards that we hold others, and
> give some hard and critical thought to our policies there.
>
> :-)
>
> $0.02,
>
> jb
>
> Paul Prescod wrote:
>
> > Kris Ganjam wrote:
> > >
> > >....It and these articles [2],
> > > put forth the case that the underlying strategic reason for our
> > > overthrow of the Taliban is so US oil interests can more easily build
> > > pipelines from the Caspian to Central Asia via Afghanistan.
> >
> > I think that the "underlying" reason for our overthrow of the Taliban
> > should be equally obvious to those with or without an understanding of
> > oil industry economics. Oil companies may be rubbing their hands
> > together in glee but that doesn't really change the reason that the
> > military is there.
> >
> >  Paul Prescod
> >
> > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork
>
> http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork

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