US war, libertarianism, FoRK, and voices in opposition

John Hall
Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:41:29 -0700

Actually, carey, I was thinking of Socrates as related in Plato's
Republic.  Religion didn't really form a part of that, although the
stories about them did.

In Washington, you can only buy (hard) booze in approved state shops.

In Texas, the rules are worse.  Entire areas are dry.

> From: carey []
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 9:56 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: US war, libertarianism, FoRK, and voices in opposition
> > Well, I don't smoke anything.  The idea that government should
> > vice has a pedigree that predates both Mormanism and Christianity.
> >
> Yea. It goes back to strange other religious edict.    (I will scream,
> that
> i'm nto a history major, but I'd be willing to bet good money that
vice +
> government control thereof is religiously motivated).
> > Indeed, it is an enduring philosophical idea that a republic depends
> > ultimately on the morality of its citizens, and that the state has a
> > proper role in shaping that morality.
> >
> > I like the rules just loose enough so I can enjoy my vices in
> >
> While that argument is fine, its hard to say that the religious
> of Utah is merely an implicit nod, as Russell was saying, of church
> practice.   Why is it only an issue in Utah for instance, and not
> nationally?   While the government might control vice fore purely
> reasons (say those rules goign after pornography in the purview of
> minors),
> the mormon alcohol example is not such a case.
> This is every bit as much religiously based as it is secularly
> And honestly John, i'm rather frightened of what you might consider a
> 'vice'.   Something tells me it has somethign to do with 'thinking
> thoughts'...