Why they hate us...

Michael Watson mikejw@cruzio.com
Sun, 03 Mar 2002 18:09:32 -0800

I am going to go on a little rant here because your post rubbed me the wrong

Your argument is elitist. Your belief that the smart left all those
countries is incorrect. Intelligence is not a priveledge of certain classes
and smart kids are being born all the time in the rest of the world.
Obviously. Part of it is a question of opportunity. I was born in a working
poor family. My family knew I was smart but did not have the knowledge of
what to do with me so I self educated myself. I have a long way to go and I
am still intimidated by all the rich kids (relatively) whose parents could
afford to send them to the best schools so they could now lord it over the
rest of us with their fancy words and ability to buy their way through life.
My rage is the rage of all working class people against their 'betters'. I
am as upset as anyone about 9/11, but as Greg Kinnear said on the late show
prior to 9/11, that if the terrorists succeeded in blowing up the world
trade centers where all the bond traders work, about 20,000 people would die
but only about 20 souls would be lost (I am paraphrasing). Shocking yes, but
to understand 9/11 you need to understand this rage. If I am a goat farmer
from long generations of goat farmers and want my son to be a goat farmer
but he doesn't want to because he has been influenced by western culture,
then this is going to bring about a certain amount of rage. Then if MTV
isn't enough, cultural imperialism brings a religious evangalist to my
village and converts my son to mormonism, that is going to bring a further
amount of rage. It has been said that the United States is the most
religious nation on earth but it is also the largest producer of pornograhic
and violent images. Along with religious evangelism. The chinese has banned
certain evangelists from the West for good reason. But western cultural
ideas are hard if not impossible to stop hence the lashing out. I agree with
you about the barbarians at the gate but you better watch out for the
barbarians from the wrong side of the track in your town. 

Note from the underground,

At 04:46 PM 3/3/02 -0800, you wrote:
>In Atlas Shrugged Rand tells the story of a world where all the thinkers get
>up and leave one day, leaving the rest of society to fall apart and starve.
>So hasn't this in fact been happening for the last 250 years?
>Say you lived in a desert between ~1750 and 9-11-2001, but you had the drive
>to make your life and the lives of your children better, and were (important
>bit coming) willing to do the work it took to get it.
>What would you do?
>You'd move to America of course, land of opportunity. Land of capitalism and
>easily - but not too easily - bought government. A place you could work and
>make money in general proportion to how hard you are willing to work. Your
>children would have the benefit of a public educational system, and if you
>work hard they could goto college and basicly be assured of a better life as
>You evolve! - Simple enough right?
>So now we have a bit under 300 million people in America. Recent immigrants
>still working hard driving taxis and working the late shift at the quickie
>mart, middle generations working hard running things, and older generations
>known worldwide for their ability to sit on a couch and inability to locate
>any country including America on a map, but still generally smarter then
>other places. And somehow many Americans ended up atheists or just not very
>religeous, religeon and science being hard to mix.
>But what's left of everyplace else, all those deserts with no food, the
>countries with not enough natural resources and overcrowding, the places
>with no capitalism or easily bought governments. Well, all the hard workers
>left, and all the smart people left, and all the people who didn't like
>having nothing to feed their children left. They all left, leaving behind...
>a big mess.
>And now we're shocked when they are all fighting each other? We're shocked
>they all hate "us", where "us" is the people that left "them" behind? The
>fact that the only thing they know is a religeous text and how to use a gun
>has nothing to do with it of course. They have noone to blame but
>themselves, and their parents, and their parents parents. America isn't
>hated by everyone quite yet, but eventually all the people that dont hate it
>will move, further concentrating the hate.
>Even America is now old enough to have these places. The projects for one,
>trailer parks for another. They fight alot too, and hate "us" too, and have
>guns and religeon too. These are the people that stopped caring and working
>and evolving. We attempt to solve that problem by giving them just enough
>money so they dont use their guns on "us" to steal enough to eat - and call
>it welfare.
>Or is it called foreign aid, either way the goal is the same. Since they
>wont leave the bad places and work hard like we did, we pay them to not hurt
>The problem is, this never works. Throughout history this has always ended
>the same way. If we pay the barbarians (for some reasons the people that
>dont move to the good spots always get called that) something not to hurt us
>this time, next time they can demand a little more. Eventually we refuse to
>pay and they just take it from us by force. And since they spend all their
>time fighting over food, and we spend all our time sitting on couches
>getting soft and easy to kill, the barbarians always win.
>Preaty much every past civilization fell this way. Romans - sat on couches
>and empire fell to barbarians (germans). Ottoman empire - sitting,
>barbarians (europens coming out of the dark ages). England - sat on chairs,
>empire fell to barbarians (everybody, heheh). Native Americans - sat in
>harmony with nature, fell to barbarians ("us" in this case). Japan and China
>seem to take turns being the barbarians. Over and over. You can almost
>picture the group of cavepeople sitting in a cave all getting killed by the
>non-sitting barbarians from outside the cave.
>So, less sitting, more figuring out someplace with not much sitting and not
>many barbarians either, because the American empire will most certainly fall
>to the barbarians, that's just how it works. And all the people that are
>willing to work to make their lives and their childrens lives better, will
>move to the next place.
>Or not...
>- Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg
>  http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/
>  beberg@mithral.com