All Bets Are ON
Ian Welsh
iangwelsh@hotmail.com
Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:23:31
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<P>The Indians were a marginal force and the analogy does not stand up. Unless you're planning on defeating every muslim nation in the world, destroying 90% of their population and colonizing the land? </P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>From: "John Hall"<JOHNHALL@EVERGO.NET>
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<DIV></DIV>To: "FoRK"<FORK@XENT.COM>
<DIV></DIV>Subject: RE: All Bets Are ON
<DIV></DIV>Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:09:22 -0800
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<DIV></DIV>That must be why we still have problems with Indian attacks.
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<DIV></DIV>The Indian attacks stopped when 'raiding the settlements' was equivalent to
<DIV></DIV>seeing every Indian village in range wiped out. A lot of those Indian wars
<DIV></DIV>were not fought to get some chief to sign a piece of paper. They were
<DIV></DIV>fought so even the most testosterone pumped 17yr old wouldn't dare get on
<DIV></DIV>his horse to go raiding.
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<DIV></DIV>Well, it does make sense to try and find them all.
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<DIV></DIV>They already see the destruction of the West as a form of self-defense. You
<DIV></DIV>stop it when they find out that the result is their own destruction.
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<DIV></DIV>The following is apparently making the rounds in the Arab world:
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<DIV></DIV>(2030) at the WTC memorial.
<DIV></DIV>Daddy, what happened to them?
<DIV></DIV>Some bad Arabs crashed into them and made them fall down.
<DIV></DIV>Daddy, what is an Arab?
<DIV></DIV>Don't worry son. We don't have Arabs anymore.
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<DIV></DIV>Finally, consider Henry V Scene 3 Act 3:
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<DIV></DIV>How yet resolves the governor of the town?
<DIV></DIV>This is the latest parle we will admit;
<DIV></DIV>Therefore to our best mercy give yourselves;
<DIV></DIV>Or like to men proud of destruction
<DIV></DIV>Defy us to our worst: for, as I am a soldier,
<DIV></DIV>A name that in my thoughts becomes me best,
<DIV></DIV>If I begin the battery once again,
<DIV></DIV>I will not leave the half-achieved Harfleur
<DIV></DIV>Till in her ashes she lie buried.
<DIV></DIV>The gates of mercy shall be all shut up,
<DIV></DIV>And the flesh'd soldier, rough and hard of heart,
<DIV></DIV>In liberty of bloody hand shall range
<DIV></DIV>With conscience wide as hell, mowing like grass
<DIV></DIV>Your fresh-fair virgins and your flowering infants.
<DIV></DIV>What is it then to me, if impious war,
<DIV></DIV>Array'd in flames like to the prince of fiends,
<DIV></DIV>Do, with his smirch'd complexion, all fell feats
<DIV></DIV>Enlink'd to waste and desolation?
<DIV></DIV>What is't to me, when you yourselves are cause,
<DIV></DIV>If your pure maidens fall into the hand
<DIV></DIV>Of hot and forcing violation?
<DIV></DIV>What rein can hold licentious wickedness
<DIV></DIV>When down the hill he holds his fierce career?
<DIV></DIV>We may as bootless spend our vain command
<DIV></DIV>Upon the enraged soldiers in their spoil
<DIV></DIV>As send precepts to the leviathan
<DIV></DIV>To come ashore. Therefore, you men of Harfleur,
<DIV></DIV>Take pity of your town and of your people,
<DIV></DIV>Whiles yet my soldiers are in my command;
<DIV></DIV>Whiles yet the cool and temperate wind of grace
<DIV></DIV>O'erblows the filthy and contagious clouds
<DIV></DIV>Of heady murder, spoil and villany.
<DIV></DIV>If not, why, in a moment look to see
<DIV></DIV>The blind and bloody soldier with foul hand
<DIV></DIV>Defile the locks of your shrill-shrieking daughters;
<DIV></DIV>Your fathers taken by the silver beards,
<DIV></DIV>And their most reverend heads dash'd to the walls,
<DIV></DIV>Your naked infants spitted upon pikes,
<DIV></DIV>Whiles the mad mothers with their howls confused
<DIV></DIV>Do break the clouds, as did the wives of Jewry
<DIV></DIV>At Herod's bloody-hunting slaughtermen.
<DIV></DIV>What say you? will you yield, and this avoid,
<DIV></DIV>Or, guilty in defence, be thus destroy'd?
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<DIV></DIV>-----Original Message-----
<DIV></DIV>From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of Paul
<DIV></DIV>Prescod
<DIV></DIV>Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 9:27 AM
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<DIV></DIV>Subject: Re: All Bets Are ON
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<DIV></DIV>I see that as neither effective nor moral. The brother or cousin that
<DIV></DIV>you can't find will be on the next set of planes. Once the polarization
<DIV></DIV>of the situation is complete, people will sacrifice their families
<DIV></DIV>because they will see the destruction of the West as a form of
<DIV></DIV>self-defense. This is the usual cycle.
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<DIV></DIV>>...
<DIV></DIV>> 3) I'm well aware of the violation of Western moral norms involved here.
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<DIV></DIV>> didn't say I liked it. But I'm afraid I prefer it to the more socially
<DIV></DIV>> accepted solution. Namely: declare war and start destroying towns and the
<DIV></DIV>> people who live in them.
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<DIV></DIV>The socially accepted solution is the destruction of organizations
<DIV></DIV>(government or otherwise) that support terrorism. Towns should only get
<DIV></DIV>involved if they are havens for combatants.
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<DIV></DIV>Paul Prescod
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