More fun about Moore

Ian Welsh iangwelsh@hotmail.com
Fri, 22 Mar 2002 16:22:03


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<P><BR>That would be true, except that as far as I know, for example, the amount of money spent per capita on health care in Canada (for example) is less than in the US and the per capita cost is less than it would cost to buy an equivalent healtcare package in the US.&nbsp; The higher tax burden overall is a result of more than just socialized medicine.&nbsp; In fact socialized medicine is one of the plusses that lures companies to set up in countries that have it and standard of living is more than just income (though, that said, I think Canadians are overtaxed, but that's a different discussion.)&nbsp; </P></DIV>&gt;&gt;Their comment to this was something along the lines of &quot;This is 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;good for 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;people because big companies have better health plans&quot;... which is 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;definitely true. 
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<DIV></DIV>Paul Prescod: 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Hmmm. So maybe socialized medicine promotes the entreprenurialism? 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Wouldn't 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;that be a kick in the teeth for Michael Moore and libertarians 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;alike. 
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<DIV></DIV>Yeah. But in this case, the main flaw are incredibly tax 
<DIV></DIV>laws that make it significantly cheaper for a company to 
<DIV></DIV>buy an employee health insurance than to pay them 
<DIV></DIV>additional money that would allow them to purchase same. 
<DIV></DIV>This has several unfortunate consequences. 
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<DIV></DIV>(1) Companies, rather than people, become the market for 
<DIV></DIV>health insurance. Bigger companies buy more, and hence 
<DIV></DIV>get better deals. (2) As a consequence, your employer 
<DIV></DIV>chooses your health insurance for its attractiveness as 
<DIV></DIV>a benefit, rather than because it is the kind of 
<DIV></DIV>insurance that you want. (3) Individuals get screwed 
<DIV></DIV>financially and medically when their need for health 
<DIV></DIV>insurance intersects in various bad ways (a) a period of 
<DIV></DIV>unemployment, (b) a change in employment, (c) a transition 
<DIV></DIV>from employer with health insurance to contract work or 
<DIV></DIV>employer without health insurance, or vice versa, 
<DIV></DIV>(d) their employer changes carriers, or (e) their employer, 
<DIV></DIV>in a financial bind, fails to pay the premium on the good 
<DIV></DIV>health insurance they thought covered them. Recent laws 
<DIV></DIV>related to insurance &quot;portability&quot; have addressed some but 
<DIV></DIV>not all of the problems here. Horror stories still abound. 
<DIV></DIV>(4) The health insurance market for people who aren't 
<DIV></DIV>covered by an employer's good policy does not have as 
<DIV></DIV>many suppliers and options as it ought. 
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<DIV></DIV>In my mind, it is incredibly stupid to couple employment 
<DIV></DIV>to health insurance, with exceptions like coal mining 
<DIV></DIV>where your health risks are also coupled. But our 
<DIV></DIV>politicians rarely think through the consequences of 
<DIV></DIV>differential tax policy. 
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