[SPORK] Was Colonialism good or bad for the world? (was: Q: Was British rule bad or good for India? and before that: The rhetoric of liberation...)

Hokkun Pang hkp@attbi.com
Sat, 22 Mar 2003 14:44:39 -0800


But then US, Canada and Australia weren't the same type of colonies as
India.
So the appropriate comparison for Japan (if it could be considered as a US
colony) is Belize,  Ireland, Singapore or Hong Kong.


----- Original Message -----
From: "johnhall" <johnhall@isomedia.com>
To: <fork@xent.com>
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 9:16 PM
Subject: RE: [SPORK] Was Colonialism good or bad for the world? (was: Q: Was
British rule bad or good for India? and before that: The rhetoric of
liberation...)


> The US, Canada, and Australia are not as successful as Japan?
>
> Granted Canada and Australia don't have Japan's population, but is that
> the appropriate measure?
>
> The US didn't have the ability to colonize Japan.  There were too many
> people there and they didn't have the same kind of divisions the British
> exploited in India.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of
> Hokkun
> > Pang
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 8:52 PM
> > To: Russell Turpin; fork@xent.com
> > Subject: Re: [SPORK] Was Colonialism good or bad for the world? (was:
> Q:
> > Was British rule bad or good for India? and before that: The rhetoric
> of
> > liberation...)
> >
> > But none of the country you listed is as successfull as Japan. The USA
> > could
> > have colonized Japan twice. Once in the mid 1800s and again after WW2.
> > But the USA didn't. The USA forced reforms on Japan and turned it into
> a
> > world class nation.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Russell Turpin" <deafbox@hotmail.com>
> > To: <fork@xent.com>
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 5:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SPORK] Was Colonialism good or bad for the world? (was:
> Q:
> > Was
> > British rule bad or good for India? and before that: The rhetoric of
> > liberation...)
> >
> >
> > > Rishab Aiyer Ghosh:
> > > >after all, india is pretty much the _only_ example of a
> post-colonial
> > > >continuous (less a couple of years) democracy, british or
> otherwise.
> > >
> > > I'm assuming the US, Canada, Australia, New
> > > Zealand, the Bahamas, and Bermuda are excluded,
> > > since they are examples of true colonization,
> > > rather than of colonial rule over an existing
> > > population. But certainly there are other
> > > British colonies that are today democratic:
> > >
> > > Belize
> > > Ireland
> > > Singapore
> > > Hong Kong (Maybe shouldn't count, any more.)
> > >
> > > Lots of other islands, but it was, after all,
> > > a sea-based empire. I'm excluding South Africa,
> > > given its long history of apartheid and short
> > > history since, and Guyana, given its short
> > > history of open elections. Obviously, there are
> > > no other examples as populous as India.
> > >
> > >
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