SCO-duggery (code comparison)
louie at ximian.com
Fri Aug 22 14:12:15 PDT 2003
On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 12:07, bitbitch wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-08-20 at 18:43, Robert S. Thau wrote:
> >> it's conceivable that someone may have
> >> grounds to sue for negligence or fraud.
> And Luis Villia noted:
> If what we're seeing so far is correct, I'd hope it's more than
> lawsuits- the SEC apparently has the power to prosecute and jail
> executives responsible for these types of scams. Eben Moglen also
> suggests that the company lawyer who claimed that the GPL is
> unconstitutional is so wrong as to make his claim constitute
> professional misconduct. That's one I'd definitely love to see.
> [Some details on that here:
> I'd love to actually see Mr. Heise's full remarks. First off, I'm
> sketchy about any lawyer-cum-FSF advocate making a sound and rational
> decision :) (Kidding).
Having met Eben, he's a very sharp, very realist guy, who must have at
least a modicum of respectability given that he's on the faculty at
Columbia. :) [That said, he also sang the Internationale at an IP
conference I was at, so...]
> Seriously though, its a little premature,
> especially if Mr. Heise was trying to somehow rope this back to SCO's
> position (re: the code that they consider to own.) Mr. Moglen is right
> if Heise went overboard and claimed that truism for the lot of GPL.
It does appear (from other interviews) that Heise/SCO believe that the
entire GPL is invalid because of US (c) law. To wit, the second
paragraph of the first answer in this article:
> Here's the other bit that bothered me from the article:
> "You don't need permission to use copyrighted work - there is no
> exclusive right to use, unlike in Patent law which involves the rights
> to 'make, use or sell'," he says. SCO could argue that users themselves
> are infringing (copying) but in the US the copies are exemptions from
> the inclusive right. And furthermore, most don't even install the source
> code. So no infringement there.
> Sure, there isn't an issue with use, but there are issues with
> reproduction, derivation and distribution. Isn't that part of the Linux
> bit too?
I think the comment was made in the context of SCO demanding fees from
Linux end-users based on their use of the software, not based on their
reproduction, derivation, and distribution. I don't think that Eben or
anyone else would claim that this distinction protects RH or IBM, should
the code claims prove true.
> I like the evangelism. Its good, but I've been scanning a few of the
> boards as of late and have come across a lot of folks who seem to have
> sacrificed logic for love.
Without a doubt. There is still a very real danger that IBM infringed in
some of this code. It's still unclear what the ramifications of that
are, though- it wouldn't surprise me to see a linux 2.4.scofree release
at some point, once disclosure of the code is made.
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