Bordering on ludicrous: was Handmaids etc.
djv at bedford.net
Tue Nov 11 09:28:01 PST 2003
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, jbone at place.org wrote:
> Woody says:
> > (1) The laws that treat the fetus as a legal
> > person whose killing is therefore, under
> > some circumstances, murder are a new
> > thing, quite strange in the western legal
> > tradition.
> "If man was meant to fly, he would have been born with wings."
The problem is with the word "meant".
> "The world market for computers is probably around --- 5."
This view was correct. The nature of computers changed.
> "Physics is done." (Circa late 19th century.)
Thermodynamics was done.
You're trying to mock me with these silly sorts of irrelevant
quotes applied to a remark taken out of context. My remark was
about the strangeness of its status as a natural person being
dependent on the opinions of a very small class of people: its
mother. You don't find that strange and bizarre?
> The problem is that the law treats a fetus as a legal person. Period.
No, the law treats the foetus, under *some* circumstances as
a *natural person*, and under other circumstances as a chattel,
and under yet others as "nothing". And that is the problem.
BTW, General Motors is a "legal person". (Check Black's). Sorry
for my mistake in terminology.
Treating the foetus as person is part of common law. (Check inheritance
of property by posthumus born baby. I believe (see Blackstone) that
it has been common law that the rights in the deceased father's estate
are established before birth -- a guardian for the foetus may dispute
on its behalf with other heirs.
> Human is a slippery word. Look forward, or look back. I have less
> problem granting human rights to a sentient computer than a woman who
> has been brain-dead in Florida for a decade.
And that, Sir Bone, is your basic human-values problem, not mine. That
is a flippant remark, true, but your attitude is scarily inhuman.
Sorry for the delay in response.
In each of us, there burns a soul of a woodchuck.
In every generation a few are chosen to prove it.
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