[Fwd: Re: NYTimes.com Article: Bush Would Give Illegal Workers Broad New Rights]

Meltsner, Kenneth Kenneth.Meltsner at ca.com
Thu Jan 8 09:40:27 PST 2004

Farm-raised "seafood" is one of the latest import tariff cases as well
-- American shrimp companies are complaining that foreign, pond-raised
shrimp are being dumped on the market.  Now, why we don't have more
shrimp aquaculture, I don't know -- perhaps they're all growing salmon

"Wild" food is becoming scarce everywhere, in part because previous
exploitation was too efficient and didn't allow fish/shrimp populations
to grow back.  Worst of all is orange roughie, a deepsea fish that grows
incredibly slowly.  In the last decade, fishermen have harvested the
equivalent 5-10x that in growth.   

It's the same thing that happened with various wood species -- Cuban
mahogany, Port Orford cedar, Lebanon cedar, teak, etc. have all been
nearly wiped out, with only commercially farmed varieties still
available, if at all.

Ken "Time for a shrimp and salmon stirfry" Meltsner

> -----Original Message-----
> From: fork-bounces at xent.com [mailto:fork-bounces at xent.com] On 
> Behalf Of Gregory Alan Bolcer
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 7:52 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: NYTimes.com Article: Bush Would Give 
> Illegal Workers Broad New Rights]
> Michael wrote:
> > Also technology such as hydroponics
> > would  easily allow food to be grown more productively if 
> farmers felt 
> > like investing the money into it.
> I remember salmon farming was going to change the world 
> through similar to how people claim that healthy, vitamin 
> maintained, artificial light plants can grow the same quality 
> and amount of food in an inert medium.
> Quoting Peter Drucker in his October 1999 Atlantic Monthly 
> article, http://www.welchco.com/02/14/01/60/99/10/0102.HTM
>      Twenty-five years ago salmon was a delicacy. The typical
>      convention dinner gave a choice between chicken and beef.
>      Today salmon is a commodity, and is the other choice on
>      the convention menu. Most salmon today is not caught at sea or
>      in a river but grown on a fish farm. The same is increasingly
>      true of trout. Soon, apparently, it will be true of a number
>      of other fish. Flounder, for instance, which is to seafood what
>      pork is to meat, is just going into oceanic mass production.
>      This will no doubt lead to the genetic development of new
>      and different fish, just as the domestication of sheep, cows,
>      and chickens led to the development of new breeds among them.
>      But probably a dozen or so technologies are at the stage
>      where biotechnology was twenty-five years ago -- that
>      is, ready to emerge.
> So, we've optimized the Salmon producing process using the 
> latest and greatest biotechnology.  What has it gotten us?  
> Let me recap:
>     o Farm salmon is grown off of overcrowded docks and wild salmon
>       is near extinct as a commercial venture
>     o They are hand fed with processed, vitamin enriched meal, like
>       chickens (ooo, tastes like chicken?)
>     o They are relatively tasteless (sort of like feeding an escargot
>        11 days of grain meal), their flesh is fatty and 
> loose, their tone
>        is gray and companies have to die them with orange and pink
>        coloring to make them attractive to consumers.
> Maybe in 10 years we'll all be eaty greasy, tastless, gray tofu.
> Greg
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