Bin Laden Comes Clean, War On Terror Continues

Geege geege at
Fri Jan 16 19:46:41 PST 2004

sure, when your metric for failure is an either/or fallacy - 100% certainty or nothing - you'll believe any measure short of 100% intelligence is enough.  man, i'm so sick of this line of reasoning. it's so faux.  

if pre-emption is prudent then caution is reckless? zzzzzzzt!  go back to vegas.


-----Original Message-----
From: fork-bounces at [mailto:fork-bounces at]On Behalf Of
Greg Bolcer
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 10:59 AM
To: FoRK Mailing List
Subject: RE: Bin Laden Comes Clean, War On Terror Continues

There's a history of 12 years of the best minds in government
policy making on my side.  It's not an unreasonable position to take. 
Colin Powell, Madeleine Albright, Condi Rice, Sandy Berger, James Woolsey,
George Tenet, and according to reports, even Wesley Clark.    The list
goes on.  The only question now is, were the assumptions correct and
actionable.  Intelligence is all about playing the numbers.   You run with the
best you have rather than wait for 100% certainty which would
always pass you by.   The thing about 9-11, pre-emption, WMDs,
etc is that you want to make sure that never make the same mistake
twice.  Once you see it that way, it's been a very successful policy. 

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: Geege [mailto:geege at] 
	Sent: Fri 1/16/2004 5:22 AM 
	To: Ian Andrew Bell; FoRK Mailing List; Greg Bolcer 
	Subject: RE: Bin Laden Comes Clean, War On Terror Continues

	ian andrew bell wrote: "I can't believe an intelligent person like Greg
	would defend this..."
	i can't either. i blame it on his geography.
	Whoa, nelly!
	Respectfully, this is not a case of us looking back on something 200
	years later with fundamentally different world views.  If anything
	changes as a result of all of the warmongering, Americans will awaken
	to their rightful position and responsibilities on the world stage and
	vote accordingly but that has yet to come to pass (as you exemplify).
	This is within months of the evident decision to invade Iraq.  There's
	been no time for (and, from the Bush administration, no clear effort
	toward) retrospective.  If the Bush administration isn't at least 9-12
	months ahead of the rest of us in terms of their intelligence and view
	unto the world, then what the fuck are they spending all that money on
	the CIA, NSA, Homeland Security, FBI, and whatever else for?
	I can't believe an intelligent person like Greg would defend this...
	On 15-Jan-04, at 8:01 AM, Greg Bolcer wrote:
	> So, I'm willing to agree that in retrospect
	> that Iraq may have not been the imminent threat at the time of the war,
	> but isn't that like holding Jefferson as a racist because he owned
	> slaves
	> and according to 1990's standards, all slaveowners are bad?
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