[FoRK] Ugh. "Don't Feed The Terrorists!"
Gregory Alan Bolcer
gbolcer at endeavors.com
Mon Mar 15 08:20:15 PST 2004
They put a new game up on our app server last week. Civilization III? Nationalism
is one of the most useful technologies in the game. It keeps your stupid Republic
or Democracy inline (and your cities from rioting w/o Police State) in order to
keep from getting War Fatigue. The technology levels and evolution of a society
is amazingly addictive and the concepts are great. There's three distinct ages--I
only recall the industrial age offhand, but all the rest depend on cultural, military,
and technological advances. I put all my eggs in one basket thinking that if I
could just screw the citizens of their culture for long enough to get Gunpowder
then I could blast all those knights from their saddles. All my cities kept
rioting and defecting.
One of the updsides of our server is that you can download and run
a 800+Meg game over DSL in about 3 minutes. One of the serious downsides of our
app server that you can tell exactly how much time you wasted over the weekend instead
of doing house chores.
Sid Meier's Civilization III Mar 14, 2004 8:28:28 PM 1h 42m 29s
Sid Meier's Civilization III Mar 14, 2004 12:02:06 PM 1h 57m 42s
Sid Meier's Civilization III Mar 14, 2004 6:20:05 AM 1h 15m 16s
Sid Meier's Civilization III Mar 14, 2004 6:17:46 AM 2m 13s
Sid Meier's Civilization III Mar 13, 2004 9:36:40 PM 2h 09m 15s
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Sid Meier's Civilization III Mar 13, 2004 3:44:57 PM 51m 31s
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Sid Meier's Civilization III Mar 13, 2004 6:31:35 AM 5m 09s
Sid Meier's Civilization III Mar 12, 2004 5:15:42 PM 1h 33m 26s
From: fork-bounces at xent.com on behalf of Owen Byrne
Sent: Mon 3/15/2004 7:25 AM
To: Bill Stoddard; fork at xent.com
Subject: Re: [FoRK] Ugh. "Don't Feed The Terrorists!"
Bill Stoddard wrote:
> Owen Byrne wrote:
>> Actually it is my personal theory that the only way you stop
>> terrorists is to give them a seat at the table. Worked in Quebec,
>> worked in Ireland. Terrorists have wonderful pure principles (Ireland
>> for the Irish! Vive Le Quebec Libre!) and the best way to demolish
>> them is to involve them in the political process.
> A hopelessly optimistic pov, when dealing with militant Islamists,
> imho. UbL and the wahabists view all western culture as inheriently
> evil and something that should be destroyed, at any cost. The hatred
> the radical Islamist feel for things western is a bit deeper than your
> run-of-the-mill hatred between groups of people that actually have
> more in common than not. How do you deal with someone that share
> almost none of your cultural values and simply wants you dead?
> The same argument goes for any sufficienly radical religious
> extremists. Try to get inside the minds of some of these people and
> look at things from their point of view, then decide whether you want
> to 'invite them to the table'.
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Your argument was popular in both Quebec and Ireland. Ireland especially
was mischaracterized as having everything to do with religion when it
had very little. Personally I was raised (in Dublin) to believe that
Brits were slightly sub-human and the Queen the spawn of Satan.
I'm not sure that fundamentalism in the Middle East isn't the same - a
tool used in the service of nationalism.
Perceived disenfranchisement is still at the root of the problem, imho.
UbL would be completely defanged if 2 things happened - not that they
will (or should). Fundamentalist regime in Saudi Arabia, and Israel
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