[FoRK] Civ III (was: Ugh. "Don't Feed The Terrorists!")

Elias Sinderson elias at cse.ucsc.edu
Tue Mar 16 00:20:11 PST 2004


OMG, yeah, I've spent/wasted so many hours on previous iterations of 
that game - I'm kind of afraid to jump in to the latest version...  :-)

Elias


Gregory Alan Bolcer wrote:

>  They put a new game up on our app server last week.  Civilization III?  Nationalism
> is one of the most useful technologies in the game.  It keeps your stupid Republic
> or Democracy inline (and your cities from rioting w/o Police State) in order to
> keep from getting War Fatigue.   The technology levels and evolution of a society
> is amazingly addictive and the concepts are great.  There's three distinct ages--I
> only recall the industrial age offhand, but all the rest depend on cultural, military,
> and technological advances.   I put all my eggs in one basket thinking that if I
> could just screw the citizens of their culture for long enough to get Gunpowder
> then I could blast all those knights from their saddles.   All my cities kept
> rioting and defecting.  
>  
> One of the updsides of our server is that you can download and run
> a 800+Meg game over DSL in about 3 minutes. One of the serious downsides of our 
> app server that you can tell exactly how much time you wasted over the weekend instead
> of doing house chores.
>  
> Greg
>  
> Sid Meier's Civilization III	 Mar 14, 2004 8:28:28 PM	 1h 42m 29s 	
> Sid Meier's Civilization III	 Mar 14, 2004 12:02:06 PM	 1h 57m 42s 	
> Sid Meier's Civilization III	 Mar 14, 2004 6:20:05 AM	 1h 15m 16s 	
> Sid Meier's Civilization III	 Mar 14, 2004 6:17:46 AM	 2m 13s 	
> Sid Meier's Civilization III	 Mar 13, 2004 9:36:40 PM	 2h 09m 15s 	
> Sid Meier's Civilization III	 Mar 13, 2004 4:50:43 PM	 2h 36m 37s 	
> Sid Meier's Civilization III	 Mar 13, 2004 3:44:57 PM	 51m 31s 	
> Sid Meier's Civilization III	 Mar 13, 2004 3:32:09 PM	 13s 	
> Sid Meier's Civilization III	 Mar 13, 2004 1:50:17 PM	 46m 33s 	
> Sid Meier's Civilization III	 Mar 13, 2004 8:48:09 AM	 2h 24m 04s 	
> Sid Meier's Civilization III	 Mar 13, 2004 6:36:51 AM	 1h 15m 50s 	
> Sid Meier's Civilization III	 Mar 13, 2004 6:31:35 AM	 5m 09s 	
> Sid Meier's Civilization III	 Mar 12, 2004 5:15:42 PM	 1h 33m 26s	
> 
> 	-----Original Message----- 
> 	From: fork-bounces at xent.com on behalf of Owen Byrne 
> 	Sent: Mon 3/15/2004 7:25 AM 
> 	To: Bill Stoddard; fork at xent.com 
> 	Cc: 
> 	Subject: Re: [FoRK] Ugh. "Don't Feed The Terrorists!"
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> 
> 	Bill Stoddard wrote:
> 	
> 	> Owen Byrne wrote:
> 	>
> 	>>
> 	>> Actually it is my personal theory that the only way you stop
> 	>> terrorists is to give them a seat at the table. Worked in Quebec,
> 	>> worked in Ireland. Terrorists have wonderful pure principles (Ireland
> 	>> for the Irish! Vive Le Quebec Libre!) and the best way to demolish
> 	>> them is to involve them in the political process.
> 	>
> 	>
> 	> A hopelessly optimistic pov, when dealing with militant Islamists,
> 	> imho. UbL and the wahabists view all western culture as inheriently
> 	> evil and something that should be destroyed, at any cost. The hatred
> 	> the radical Islamist feel for things western is a bit deeper than your
> 	> run-of-the-mill hatred between groups of people that actually have
> 	> more in common than not. How do you deal with someone that share
> 	> almost none of your cultural values and simply wants you dead?
> 	>
> 	> The same argument goes for any sufficienly radical religious
> 	> extremists.  Try to get inside the minds of some of these people and
> 	> look at things from their point of view, then decide whether you want
> 	> to 'invite them to the table'.
> 	>
> 	> Bill
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> 	Your argument was popular in both Quebec and Ireland. Ireland especially
> 	was mischaracterized as having everything to do with religion when it
> 	actually
> 	had very little. Personally I was raised (in Dublin) to believe that
> 	Brits were slightly sub-human and the Queen the spawn of Satan.
> 	I'm not sure that fundamentalism in the Middle East isn't the same - a
> 	tool used in the service of nationalism.
> 	Perceived disenfranchisement is still at the root of the problem, imho.
> 	UbL would be completely defanged if 2 things happened - not that they
> 	will (or should). Fundamentalist regime in Saudi Arabia, and Israel
> 	"poof!" disappeared.
> 	
> 	Owen
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