[FoRK] All The Rope II: Noose of Words

Gregory Alan Bolcer gbolcer at endeavors.com
Wed Mar 17 13:35:08 PST 2004

I think the issue has to be precise.  Lying about what exactly?  The lying
charge can be made that the Bush administration lied about the reasons
why they went to war in Iraq.   I personally think they did the right
thing for the wrong reasons.  When Jeff starts talking about
they lied about whether or not Iraq had WMDs--as if they knew they
didn't, well, even Hans Blix, Kofi Annan, and Jaques Chirac wouldn't
even agree with that statement before the war.   It's not my intention
to browbeat, I just cant' understand how someone can retroactively
go back and re-assign maliscious intent to a policy that is indistinguishable
from every other policy with the exception that it's being enacted by
a new administration.  So, the big lie involved the complicity of Blix,
Chirac, Annan, the UN, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr., the entire US
military, and the entire US intelligence?   It seems just a little 
unbelievable to me.  

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: fork-bounces at xent.com on behalf of Dr. Robert J. Harley 
	Sent: Wed 3/17/2004 12:33 PM 
	To: fork at xent.com 
	Subject: Re: [FoRK] All The Rope II: Noose of Words

	im>1) lying requires intent to deceive
	Actually, according to that American icon www.m-w.com:
	>Main Entry: 3 lie
	>Function: verb
	>Inflected Form(s): lied; ly.ing /'lI-i[ng]/
	>Etymology: Middle English, from Old English lEogan; akin to Old High
	>  German liogan to lie, Old Church Slavonic lugati
	>intransitive senses
	>1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
	>2 : to create a false or misleading impression
	>transitive senses : to bring about by telling lies <lied his way out
	>  of trouble>
	>synonyms LIE, PREVARICATE, EQUIVOCATE, PALTER, FIB mean to tell an
	>  untruth. LIE is the blunt term, imputing dishonesty <lied about
	>  where he had been>. PREVARICATE softens the bluntness of LIE by [...]
	BushCo lied through their teeth, brazenly, barefacedly, and in the
	face of repeatedly being explicitly reminded that most people on the
	planet were well aware that they were doing so.  They even seem to
	have been under the mistaken impression that "the big lie" meme could
	last as more than an overworked historical anecdote.
	It has long been completely pointless to be in denial about their lying,
	all the more so if your intention is to somehow browbeat others into
	accepting some alternate reality or even to actually (bis) deceive
	them.  As if!  Frankly, I can no longer grok the idea of a totally
	sane person sincerely believing that flogging that particular horse is
	still opportune.
	The situation is quite amusing over here on the old side of the pond.
	Normally few people would be sufficiently interested in American
	politics for it to be a generic topic of discussion during social
	occasions.  Normally, if/when discussing politics, you at least sound
	out people to see what their 'tude is before barging in with your view.
	The fun part is that for the last year or so, you can travel wide and
	far and everywhere jump straight into the deep end of an ongoing
	continent-wide conversation about what a twat BushCo is, how much
	faith one has (or hasn't) in American democracy and how much in
	American voters to rid the world of such a dangerous sore.  Goes for
	the buzz-nodes of Paris.  Goes for coffee-teats of London.  Goes for
	quiet pubs on the side of a fjord in Ireland.  No ice-breaker required.
	Morituri te salutant! <- Hey, so I felt like a non sequitur would be apropos.
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