[FoRK] Utterly ridiculous: Does Gmail breach wiretap laws?

Luis Villa louie at ximian.com
Tue May 4 19:00:42 PDT 2004


On Tue, 2004-05-04 at 15:58 -0700, Gregory Alan Bolcer wrote:
> You guys must have missed California lawmaker,
> Liz Figueroa the author of California's
> Do-not-call legistlation and a privacy
> advocate,'s initial Google letter 

I didn't miss it. When the head of the EFF explicitly argues that her
claims are fairly ridiculous, I get dismissive as well.

> and the
> EU violations. 

privacy group filing complaint with EU != EU violation.

Just clarifying-
Luis

>  It's my understanding that the
> ads on Yahoo, Hotmail, and AOL are not contextual,
> but more broad-based marketing.
> 
> Google's defense is, there's no humans reading
> the information only computers much like
> a spellchecker and outsourced anti-virus and
> spam filters already do content filtering.  That
> may be true but there's just something uniquely
> offensive particular to advertising.
> 
> What's worse, suppose you get an unsolicited email
> from some doofus which subsequently gets scanned by
> the gmail content filters.  That association will
> *never* be able to be removed from your gmail account
> as the way the product works now.  As with any privacy
> information, it's always overly-inclusive and near
> impossible to correct.   Try taking off a misdiagnosis
> off of your health record, a poor mark on your credit
> report by a defunct company, or some nasty comments out
> of your FBI file.   It ain't gonna happen.  That's all
> we need now is one more big database of mis-associated
> privacy information.
> 
> Greg
> 
> Jeffrey Kay wrote:
> 
> > I agree -- some of this stuff is the stupidest I've seen in a long time.
> > Did anyone check to see if Yahoo, MSN or Hotmail were providing context
> > sensitive advertising with their services? They'd be dumb not to.
> > 
> > The interesting question here is -- who's behind all of this?  Could this be
> > the John Poindexter effect occurring for Google or is this really being
> > instigated by those threatened by Google's plans of providing a gig of
> > storage for e-mail?
> > 
> > -- jeff
> > 
> > On 5/4/04 2:31 PM, "Contempt for Meatheads" <jbone at place.org> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>This is utterly ludicrous.  It's ridiculous that this is EVEN BEING
> >>DISCUSSED, much less that the esoteric theories offered ("transit,
> >>etc.") are being offered in defense.  This is BRAIN DEAD SIMPLE.  The
> >>relevant language is, MY EMPHASIS:  "in any UNAUTHORIZED manner, reads,
> >>or attempts to read, or to learn the contents or meaning of any
> >>message, report, or communication while the same is in transit."
> >>Enough freakin' nanny government.  If I want to allow somebody to read
> >>my e-mail in contractual exchange for e-mail services, what, I can't do
> >>that?  They can't offer those services as a quid pro quo for my
> >>authorization?
> >>
> >>GRRRR.
> >>
> >>--
> >>
> >>Does Gmail breach wiretap laws?
> >>Last modified: May 4, 2004, 11:11 AM PDT
> >>By Declan McCullagh
> >>Staff Writer, CNET News.com
> >>
> >>Three nonprofit groups alleged this week that Google's forthcoming
> >>Gmail service violates California wiretapping laws--but lawyers who
> >>specialize in privacy law were skeptical of the claim.
> >>
> >>In a letter sent to California Attorney General Bill Lockyer on Monday,
> >>the Electronic Privacy Information Center argued that Gmail must be
> >>shut down because it "represents an unprecedented invasion into the
> >>sanctity of private communications." Gmail provides one gigabyte of
> >>Web-based mail storage in exchange for context-sensitive advertising
> >>that appears on the right side of the screen.
> > 
> > 
> > jeffrey kay 
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> > 
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> > twain 
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> > work. Y is play. Z is keep your mouth shut." -- albert einstein
> > 
> > 
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