# [FoRK] Shooting dice with Zogby, or, Poll-less pollstering

Jeff Bone jbone at place.org
Thu Nov 4 07:21:55 PST 2004

```Well, although my model got it wrong in the end, the delta was
surprisingly small.  And what's even more surprising about that was the
method I used to come up with the numbers, and what that (might) mean

W/o going into too much detail, the model assumed as a base that
American preferences were Gaussian distributed;  it then randomly
selected a number of samples (i.e., modeling voter turnout
independently of preference;  I mistakenly correlated those in my
intuitive "runaway" model) for each state (2x the electoral total for
that state) with a base 50-50 split to decide where they were in the
distribution, with a small proportional correction for previous
performance of the state.  (Basically, the normal curve was divided
into 6 slices, from "strong Kerry" on the left to "strong Bush" on the
right.  2d6 were rolled 2x as many times as the states electoral tally
to pick among the slices.  An positive or negative factor from -3 to +3
was added to each roll based on the margin of victory in the popular
vote in 2000.)

That method beat Zogby's comprehensive polling and analysis;  indeed,
it called 'em all (at this point) except for Ohio.  (Iowa and NM may
fall out as well, I suppose, but overall --- score one for randomness.)

What does this tell us?  I dunno.  At a minimum it should make us all
question the validity of any polling technique.  With a nation as
perfectly polarized as ours, and with the margins as narrow as they
are, it should make us question whether any sample set much smaller
than "everybody" is in any way representative.

It should also make us question the meaning of the popular vote victory
margin;  we should be cautious what conclusions we draw from that.

Lastly:  I'm sick of hearing about the "values" issue.  The same
freakin' talking heads can on the one hand lament how badly astray they
were lead early in the night by the exit polls and then, immediately,
turn around and start talking about how the exit polls said "values"
were a deciding factor...  now look:  either the polls were meaningful
or they weren't.  Make up your minds, pundits!  ;-)

jb

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