[FoRK] Shooting dice with Zogby, or, Poll-less pollstering

Jeff Bone jbone at place.org
Thu Nov 4 18:17:24 PST 2004

On Nov 4, 2004, at 5:14 PM, Lorin Rivers wrote:

> Don't forget that it's about hate/fear too.

Cribbing my earlier message to Geege:  it's fear, greed, fear, greed, 
fear...  the only two basic human emotions.  Unf. it's less greed than 
fear, and even more unfortunately it's less of either (in fact 
diametrically opposed) vs. truth relative to the memetic stream spun 
out by the "right."

The really unfortunate thing is that 2008 is EVEN MORE likely to be 
more of the same than this year was re: 2000 --- UNLESS the Dems can 
acquire the memetic engineering competency that the GOP has acquired at 
great cost over the last 15 years.

This may seem rather bleak, but I'm saying:  ain't going to happen.  
Not until liberals realize that "reason" is no longer the order of the 
day.  We've passed the tipping point.  The battle can no longer be won 
on merits, rather only on execution.

Goering, ever wrong in the short term, is right in the current context.


> That's right out of the Goering playbook
> "Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can
> always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you
> have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the
> pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.
> It works the same way in any country."
> -- Hermann Goering in his cell on the evening of 18 April 1946
> The humsechtuals are attacking marriage!
> Why do you hate god-fearing 'muricans? What is behind the humsechtual 
> agenda?
> Bing, bing, bing. We have a winner!
> I'm a heterosechtual who's marriage doesn't need defending.
> On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:18:53 -0600, Ken Meltsner <meltsner at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> The Republicans found the perfect issue in gay marriage:
>> *  Immediately and intensely polarizing (binary decision, as well as
>> being linked to lots of religions and deeply held, emotional stances)
>> *  Doesn't cost anything to ban (in $$, not social costs)
>> In contrast, the Democrats keep picking issues that have more than one
>> possible solution and that cost lots of money to address.
>> About the only one I can come up with is a ban on public mime 
>> performances.
>> Ken

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