[FoRK] The Decline of Empires..

Luis Villa luis.villa at gmail.com
Mon Jan 3 12:52:26 PST 2005


On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 04:43:59 +0800, James Tauber <jtauber at jtauber.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't believe having more people in the commons helps the commons.

Having people who aren't in the commons, but pay for it anyway, is
good for the commons. Having people (particularly the wealthiest)
withdraw completely from the both participation and support of the
commons /is/ a fairly quick way for the commons to become untenable.

Luis

> On 4/1/05 3:25 AM, "Ian Andrew Bell   (FoRK)" <fork at ianbell.com> wrote:
> 
> > Really?  Ask a wealthy Bush voter why they voted him in -- it's almost
> > certainly not for his philanthropy.  I asked a few and they ALL said
> > that poorly-funded schools and civic infrastructure largely do not
> > affect them, so why should they vote in favour of those sorts of
> > things?
> >
> > Politicians are not unique in their short-sightedness.  Voters are
> > particularly self-interested, short-term thinkers these days.
> > Especially Upper-Middle Class.
> >
> > -Ian.
> >
> >
> > On 3-Jan-05, at 11:17 AM, James Tauber wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I was a fan of Diamond but he's lost me with this...
> >>
> >>> when I drive by gated communities,
> >>> guarded by private security patrols, and filled with people who drink
> >>> bottled water, depend on private pensions, and send their children to
> >>> private schools. By doing these things, they lose the motivation to
> >>> support the police force, the municipal water supply, Social Security
> >>> and public schools. If conditions deteriorate too much for poorer
> >>> people, gates will not keep the rioters out.
> 
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