[FoRK] Fwd: [Processing] download the new beta release!

Luis Villa luis.villa at gmail.com
Thu May 19 21:20:40 PDT 2005

On 5/20/05, Michael Silk <michaelslists at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well I've submitted bugs (1 or 2) that I found in the java compiler,
> and they were fixed in new releases. I know many other bugs that have
> been found in production and confirmed via source-review have ben
> fixed too. I, on the other hand, can't about openoffice, never having
> used it ...
> I've found if there is a bug it's generally easy to work around, and
> if you can't (say for example this
> one:http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=627844&tstart=45)
> you just wait for the next version, or downgrade. I

Downgrade? Eek... I have worked with Sun a bit, and they are paranoid
about regressions, and I'd certainly think they would be even more so
about Java- is that not the case?

>  It's not perfect,
> but it works. For now ... Maybe one day, or in one situation, it won't
> work. And then maybe my opinion will change :)

Not being too much a believer in free-software-as-moral-imperative, I
admit a big part of my pragmatic distaste is experience with sun in
the ooo world, where they are incredibly difficult to deal with. It is
quite possible that their Java processes work better in practice.


> -- Michael
> On 5/20/05, Luis Villa <luis.villa at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 5/19/05, Michael Silk <michaelslists at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > You can submit patches/etc to Sun now, can't you? You can review their
> > > source (for runtime + compiler (seperate download)), and submit a RFE
> > > or Bug. From what I've seen, it's pretty responsive.
> >
> > I can't really speak to the current process, but if it is anything
> > like the openoffice process, it is probably abysmal* :) From a
> > pragmatic open source perspective, this is still suboptimal- there is
> > no reason why *my* users should have to suffer through a bug if I can
> > get it to them. It is worth noting that *particularly* in the Java
> > world an incompatibility is a bug, so I venture that Apple and most
> > Linux vendors (and presumably MS now that they claim to play nice with
> > Java) would only ship a fix if they were certain it would not break
> > compat.
> >
> > Luis
> >
> > * I can go on at length about that one, preferably on another night :)
> >

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