Sanity train, was: Re: [FoRK] Re: You know, I'm about sick of this shit.

Damien Morton fork at
Tue May 24 00:44:39 PDT 2005

Im not so sure its a stable system any more.

I mean, theres a stong push to stack almost every area with republican 
leaning persons, be it scientific advisory bodies, through to even 
engineering standards bodies and god only knows what else.

Their stated goal is to cement their power indefinately, which as 
anti-democratic a goal as there ever was.

You know, I got a letter published in a national left-leaning magazine 
recently. I was hesitant to have my name published in full, lest I end 
up on some list of 'unsuitable persons'.

Now I can be a little paranoid sometimes, and Im really not that 
important, but I know such lists exist, and the last thing I want (as a 
resident rather than citizen) is to end up one some republican shit-list.

> Chaotic with strange attractors, eh?
> There are plenty of mechanisms to make it approach determinism, or, 
> rather, stability.  The reality is that these aren't mechanisms, they 
> are people who have complex reactions and goals.  I think that you only 
> get an even situation overall when both sides are fully activated and 
> engaged.  Most of the time, one "side" or the other is quiet, 
> uninterested, unworried, unthreatened, or otherwise only mildly reacting 
> to a more agressive side.
> For example, there's no point in most people spending time defending 
> abortion because no amount of noise should be able to reverse the 
> Surpremes.  There are many cases of this kind of thing.  When you add in 
> the sheep phenomina, it seems likely that you shouldn't worry too much 
> about being in a mild minority.
> It's the meta-idioms, conventions, and culture that seem to make a 
> system stable or not stable.  Learning the basics of driving or flying 
> is easy; it's the extended experience that allow you to avoid or recover 
> from problems, or at least have a far better chance.
> Don't worry about the US imploding or running off the tracks.  Avoidance 
> of that, in the end, overrides everything else.
> sdw
> Lucas Gonze wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 May 2005, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>>> There are a lot of sheep out there who are following the religious 
>>> groundswell that has been sowed for a while now.  When the 
>>> non-religious right learn to communicate effectively, they'll sway 
>>> enough sheep to reverse fortunes for a while.
>>> I've said it before: the US system is only stable because it is 
>>> unstable. We've had a few waves amplify each other, but eventually 
>>> they'll all be back in the noise.
>> Probably, but not for certain.  It's not a deterministic system.
>> - Lucas

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