[FoRK] "What did the president know and when did he know it?"

Eugen Leitl eugen
Thu Jul 7 01:34:22 PDT 2005

On Wed, Jul 06, 2005 at 11:52:13PM -0700, Justin Mason wrote:

> Ian Andrew Bell (FoRK) writes:
> > Oil isn't just used to produce energy and power SUVs.  It fertilizes  
> > soil, produces plastics and synthetics, and probably is a key  

Most of organic farming (biologisch/biologisch-dynamisch) requires little
fertilizer input (fixating nitrogen is expensive, but legumes/rhizobium
bacteria do it at RT and normal pressure, just using sunlight). And you 
get sustainability for free, instead of slowly killing your soil and
contaminating your water table.

> > ingredient in McDonald's milkshakes.
> Don't forget food production and transportation, and in pumping water. The

Energy is energy, it doesn't matter where it comes from, just how much it
costs. If plastic photovoltaics really lands, oil will become quite cheap --
it will be just used for chemical feedstock, instead of idiotically just
burning it.

> latter in particular is forecast to become a much bigger issue in much of
> the US this century -- in particular, in desert areas like Southern
> California.

Chemistry is quite flexible in regards to feedstock, ranging from fossil
platforming, coal gasification and C1 feedstocks from methane, and of course

If you have enough energy you can start from soil carbonate or air carbon
dioxide (but plants fixate it for you, on the cheap).

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