[FoRK] coining

Ryan King ryan
Thu Sep 22 11:57:23 PDT 2005

On Sep 22, 2005, at 10:23 AM, Elias Sinderson wrote:
> Eugen Leitl wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 09:42:28AM -0700, Ryan King wrote:
>>> You know, some people actually enjoy their jobs. And some of  
>>> those jobs require a lot of work.
>> Does this mean their S.O.'s are less important than their jobs?  
>> That their job takes precedence over the kids?
> Or, for that matter, their health?

That comment actually hits home for me, because I've been sick  
lately. And I have a feeling that the sickness has been caused  
(either ultimately or proximately) by the stress of working too much  
(which includes working at a startup and working on a Masters' Degree).

> Ryans' comment hints that there may be another relevant issue  
> regarding the difference between 'job' and 'work' -- Is 'job'  
> orthogonal to (the amount of) 'work'? They may be somewhat  
> correlated, however 'correlation does not imply causation'. Given  
> that someone actually likes their job, perhaps is it conceivable  
> that they don't enjoy the amount of work it entails? Perhaps one  
> could find an instance of the same, or similar enough, job, which  
> requires less work? It seems that the notion of 'job' is really an  
> amalgamation of several things, including job function (or,  
> generally, title), sector, corporate culture, etc.

I think its all a matter of tradeoffs. I'm sure there are some people  
who enjoy their jobs, but also have other pursuits they really enjoy  
as well. For me, however, those 'other pursuits' look a lot like my job.

> Anecdotally, I can relate my own experience of enjoying a job  
> immensely, only to eventually have the amount of work required take  
> its' toll to the point where it was no longer enjoyable, I am  
> completely burnt out, and my (mental and physical) health and  
> relationships with loved ones suffered as a result. A friend of  
> mine recently decided to leave their job of many years for a very  
> similar position in a different company with better salary and  
> benefits, nicer culture, seemingly less work, etc. The transition  
> isn't complete, but they are already happier and very excited about  
> the change. My mother, a physician, loves her job immensely, but  
> left the large and intense group she was with for a much smaller  
> group... She had on the order of 500 or so patients in her old  
> group and now manages a small fraction of that, has more vacation  
> time, better benefits, nicer colleagues, but less payola, and she's  
> never been happier.
> The above would seem to indicate that 'job' and 'work' are  
> seperable, at least to some degree. Can anyone else relate similar  
> experiences?

Whereas I really enjoy what I work on now, I'm well aware that  
burnout is possible. But, I'm ok with burnout? when/if that comes,  
I'll deal with it.

My job isn't work- I would be working on the same stuff whether or  
not I was being paid for it.


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