[FoRK] that grim meathook future thing
Sat Sep 24 01:31:35 PDT 2005
On Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 12:10:39PM -0700, Justin Mason said:
> FWIW, in terms of parallels in other fields; this also intersects a little
> bit with what Danny O'Brien called "the hinternet", I feel.
Short story about the term "hinternet". I'm also on anothe rmailing list
called (void) which is similar to this esteemed forum but strated with
more of an emphasis on art and tehchnology. The topic's drifted over the
last 7 or so years but there you go.
(void) is one of the many axes of the London geek scene that Danny was
(is) part and which is very prone to incestuousness and
cross-polination. I was one of the organisers (with Danny) of Opentech
2005 fo example.
Aaaaaaanyway, so Danny used the term hinternet here
to describe the fact that we geeks are guilty of assuming that everyone
knows what we're talking about when we say "Pop up blockers", "spam
filters", 802.1b, USB2 etc etc - when we assume that everyone else is,
in short, like us.
"There's a bit of me that does feel guilty. While I manage to fend off
pop-up windows with Mozilla, and spam with Spamassassin, most people
don't know about those programs. They live in the "hinternet", that
shanty-town of X10 pop-ups and porn adware, and endless, endless Hotmail
and Yahoo spam. They're tourists in the world of the Net, and like any
tourist, they rarely get a good guide. They're just taken down the back
streets by disreputable but flashy showmen, and robbed for everything
they're worth. And it's true, we don't do as much as we should for them,
because we're okay in our little burbclaves."
Weirdly enough, and I'm pretty sure Danny would have been aware of term
because of the cross polination, (void) had been using the term
hinternet for a while to mean almost the complete opposite
"And I really did invent the term hinternet, not subconsciously steal it
from the (void) folk, who've been using it for years.
The funny thing is, that jo's coinage of hinternet on (void) is pretty
much the opposite of mine. They use it to describe a place outside the
"controlled web" (which is envisaged to be the corporate AOL-Time-Warner
garden of controlled delights)"
which links to mail by a fellow by the name of Simon Batistoni
and a rather, err, less chorent mail by me
The contradiction intrigued me - they both display this "them and us"
attitude but I'm not sure which one displays the most
unintentional arrogance - Danny's point of view that we should be
helping the poor little sheeple or our view that the big bad corporate
world are coming to crush us and we'll eventually get 'our' internet
back without the spammers and the n00bs and whatever. I paraphrase,
extrapolate and project of course but it reminds me of one of those gag
"Candid Camera" style TV programs I saw a while back where they changed
the signs on the toilet doors to say "them" and "us" and then filmed to
see who chose what designation for themselves.
In a way both view points are reactions to the same predicted future -
Danny feels bad that 'we' built this shanty town, this Chiba City,
that's incredibly fun but tends to be tourist hostile and wants to
either train every tourist with combat skills and embed microfilament
knives under their nails (which, let's face it, is a losing battle in
the long term) or trun it into DisneyWorld and we, we want them to fuck
off and go build their DisneyWorld somewhere else and let us be. or
atleast give us enough room to build a hippy camp in the basement of the
It's 8:30 on a Saturday morning and I'm sitting up in bed writing mails
about the term 'hinternet' - clearly what's missing here is a cup of
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