Fwd: Re: [FoRK] avian flu/home grown/PastFutureTense/retraction

Justin Mason jm
Fri Oct 14 15:42:30 PDT 2005


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"Stephen D. Williams" writes:
> If infection starts elsewhere, lock everyone in the house and 
> telecommute for weeks until A) food runs out and B) the infection has 
> passed.  Setup safe food pickups.

OTOH:
http://crofsblogs.typepad.com/h5n1/2005/10/thinking_about_.html

- --j.

> Diseases thrive on contact.  Isolation starves the cycle.  Quarantine 
> the well along with the sick.
> Schools should assign homework for the next month via their web sites, 
> close, and manage communication between teachers and students.  This 
> ought to be done now when a certain threshold is reached.
> 
> In recent years I've taken to calling schools "disease collection and 
> trading points".  Parents get sick almost exclusively because of what 
> their children bring home, and a large percentage of other adult illness 
> is probably a hop or two removed from that (working with parents).
> 
> It's possible that the year-round school style where you have a couple 
> weeks off periodically might tend to break mini-epidemics.  This would 
> be an interesting study.
> 
> sdw
> 
> Luis Villa wrote:
> 
> >On 10/14/05, Kevin Elliott <k-elliott at wiu.edu> wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>At 14:31 -0400  on  10/14/05, Luis Villa wrote:
> >>    
> >>
> >>>* the problem that caused the most deaths in 1918 was not poor immune
> >>>system response; it was an immune system response so overwhelmingly
> >>>aggressive that while attacking the virus it coincidentally destroyed
> >>>the lungs. That's why more young adults died than old and children.
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>Interesting.  Wouldn't life support still allow sustained life in
> >>this situation?  I assume lung function is compromised but still
> >>functional.  The problem is an inability for the lungs to pull in
> >>sufficient Oxygen per breathe.  How would a patient respond to being
> >>put on Oxygen?
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>* in an actual epidemic anything approaching the scale of the one we
> >>>saw in 1918, only the tiniest percentage will actually recieve any
> >>>medical care at all. All modern american hospitals run as close to
> >>>capacity as possible- any unused capacity (aka 'buffer for unusual
> >>>emergencies') is actively hunted down, because empty beds cost money.
> >>>If the flu comes again, modern medical treatment won't matter because
> >>>the vast majority will get ill and die or recover before ever so much
> >>>as seeing a doctor. (They'll all be dying too, which won't help.)
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>Strongly disagree.  I simply don't see it going down this way.
> >>Capacity is easy to create- you throw people who don't HAVE to be
> >>their out.  You set up tents in the parking lot.  You ration
> >>doctor/nurse time aggressively.  You bring in outside assistance.
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >Like I said, go read the book. Your limited imagination is failing to
> >grasp the magnitude of the problem.
> >
> >Luis
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