[FoRK] National Identity - Canada

Damien Morton fork
Sun Oct 16 07:46:36 PDT 2005


When I was living in Israel, I used to print and sell these t-shirts 
which proclaimed in 7 different languages "I am not American".

Canadians were the best buyers.


> Hackneyed writers often assert that Canadians have no national  identity 
> other than that which separates them from Americans.  Of  course, there 
> is a lot that separates us from Americans, but who  cares?  I think that 
> those hackneyed writers are wrong.  Among other  things:
> 
> Canada is a nation of incredible diversity, built largely by  immigrants 
> within the last century.  This means that within our land  there is a 
> cacophony of cultures asserting themselves, their  holidays, their 
> traditions, their forms of expression, and their  beliefs.  These inform 
> the lawmakers of the country, they seep subtly  into the music you hear 
> on the radio and the programming you see on  television, and they are 
> evidenced in the many different faces from  different lands that you'll 
> see as you walk any street in any city in  Canada.  We are an open 
> society which respects the rights of the  individual above those of the 
> corporation (there is no charter of  rights and freedoms for companies, 
> but there is for people).  Yes,  many of us (OK most of us) like hockey, 
> we enjoy the outdoors, and  many of us suffer gladly through brutal 
> winters (but then again, so  do many Americans).  We are fiercely proud 
> of our most successful  products, often in the form of athletes, actors, 
> and directors.  In  fact, there are 500,000 of us living in Los Angeles 
> making LA  Canada's 6th largest city.  We believe in compassion, as 
> expressed  through our politics and our charitable contributions to  
> organizations like UNICEF.  We actively practice the separation of  
> church and state, which is a lucky thing since there are so many  
> denominations actively practised in various churches in Canada that  
> combining the two would be impractical.  Our country was born in  
> diplomacy, not war, and this has been our speciality ever since,  though 
> when called upon we went in force early, without waiting to be  
> attacked, to two wars in Europe and one in Korea to push back  
> oppressors, and we are proud (rightly so) of this heritage too.  The  
> one time we were attacked, we not only drove the invaders across the  
> border but we pushed them back beyond their own capital city and  burned 
> down their White House.  We are a proud and moral nation, and  we can 
> hold our heads high when we travel anywhere in the world.
> 
> And we should.
> 
> -Ian.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 15-Oct-05, at 3:37 PM, Albert Scherbinsky wrote:
> 
>>
>> Canadians often define themselves as how they are
>> different from Americans. This alone goes to show just
>> how similar we are. Canadians go out of there way to
>> assert their distinctness and even superiority to
>> Americans, which goes to show just how insecure
>> Canadians are about their national identity.
>> Personally, I prefer to just accept what I am, one
>> heck of lot like our neighbors to the south. Of
>> course, I'm one heck of a lot more like somebody from
>> Illinois or New York, than I am like someone from
>> Texas or Mississippi or Quebec(I don't speak French).
>> National identity is an interesting thing. People want
>> to belong to something bigger than themselves, but
>> something that reflects their culture and values.
>> This, I guess, is why many Quebecers want their own
>> seperate national identity and why the South wanted to
>> separate from the U.S.
>>
>> What if the leaders of your country do things that are
>> entirely inconsistent with your values? How does that
>> affect your national identity?
>>
>> Albert
>>
>> --- Albert Scherbinsky <albert at softwarepress.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Quebecers = Canadians Lite,(just kidding, sort of)
>>>
>>> Both Quebecers and Americans would do well to be
>>> more
>>> Canadian, Eh. :)
>>>
>>> --- "Stephen D. Williams" <sdw at lig.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Here here.  (Hear hear?)
>>>>
>>>> Canada = America Lite, sort of. (just kidding. ;-)
>>>>
>>> )
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I love canadians too, although I mostly have come
>>>>
>>> in
>>>
>>>> contact with
>>>> Qu?b?cois / Quebecers, AFAIK.
>>>>
>>>> I go to Montreal at the end of November.
>>>>
>>>> sdw
>>>>
>>>> Albert S. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Democrats and Republicans at each other's throats
>>>>> heartens this Canadian. When they are in
>>>>>
>>> agreement
>>>
>>>>> some country is about to get the crap kicked out
>>>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps it's unsafe for me to admit this in
>>>>>
>>> public,
>>>
>>>>> but I love America, and the American people. I
>>>>>
>>> love
>>>
>>>>> them because Canadians are so darn much like
>>>>>
>>> them,
>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>> to hate them is to hate myself. To admit this is
>>>>> political suicide in Canada. Fortunately I am not
>>>>> running for office.
>>>>>
>>>>> Albert
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
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>>>> sdw at lig.net http://sdw.st
>>>> Stephen D. Williams 703-724-0118W 703-995-0407Fax
>>>> 20147-4622 AIM: sdw




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