[FoRK] Theonet , your soaking in it

Stephen D. Williams < sdw at lig.net > on > Mon Sep 11 12:30:35 PDT 2006

However, I'm fairly convinced so far by "Guns, Germs, and Steel" that 
fully modern humans have only existed for about 13,000-20,000 years, 
after the Clovis period, or at most 40,000 years.

> We allow that, in the case of religion, or the belief in supernatural 
> beings, the past weighs in, not at 2,000 years, but at approximately 
> five million. Even so, the time has come for a measure of impatience 
> in our dealings with those who would take an innocent personal 
> pronoun, which was just minding its own business, and exalt it with a 
> capital letter. Opposition to religion already occupies the high 
> ground, intellectually and morally. People of independent mind should 
> now start to claim the spiritual high ground, too. We should be with 
> Joseph Conrad:
> 'The world of the living contains enough marvels and mysteries as it 
> is - marvels and mysteries acting upon our emotions and intelligence 
> in ways so inexplicable that it would almost justify the conception of 
> life as an enchanted state. No, I am too firm in my consciousness of 
> the marvellous to be ever fascinated by the mere supernatural, which 
> (take it any way you like) is but a manufactured article, the 
> fabrication of minds insensitive to the intimate delicacies of our 
> relation to the dead and to the living, in their countless multitudes; 
> a desecration of our tenderest memories; an outrage on our dignity.
> 'Whatever my native modesty may be it will never condescend to seek 
> help for my imagination within those vain imaginings common to all 
> ages and that in themselves are enough to fill all lovers of mankind 
> with unutterable sadness.' ('Author's Note' to The Shadow-Line, 1920.)

Andy Armstrong wrote:
> On 11 Sep 2006, at 18:26, Malcolm Greenshields wrote:
>> Problem is, no substantial group that claimed irreligion or Reason 
>> and had control of a state has historically been any less warlike 
>> than the theists. There haven't been many of them, but they spent 
>> most of their time fighting.
> Did nobody read that Martin Amis link I posted yesterday?
> http://observer.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,,1868732,00.html
> --Andy Armstrong, hexten.net
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