[FoRK] Re: HELP

ebrahim alomisi < alsalehoffice at maktoob.com > on > Fri Nov 3 09:47:37 PST 2006


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Today's Topics:

1. Quotes - 200611 - OBSESSED is just a word the LAZY use to
describe the DEDICATED. (Stephen D. Williams)
2. Re: My refusal to have a blog per se, comments, technorati,
and icon-mania (Matt Jensen)
3. Re: Quotes - 200611 - OBSESSED is just a word the LAZY use to
describe the DEDICATED. (Dr. Ernie Prabhakar)
4. Re: Quotes - 200611 - OBSESSED is just a word the LAZY use to
describe the DEDICATED. (Stephen D. Williams)
5. RE: My refusal to have a blog per se, comments, technorati,
and icon-mania (Russell Turpin)
6. Austin startup job opportunities (Russell Turpin)
7. "Ron Kind spent tax dollars to pay teenage girls to watch
pornographic movies." (Russell Turpin)
8. Re: My refusal to have a blog per se, comments, technorati,
and icon-mania (Tony Finch)
9. Re: My refusal to have a blog per se, comments, technorati,
and icon-mania (Adam L Beberg)
10. Re: My refusal to have a blog per se, comments, technorati,
and icon-mania (Luis Villa)
11. Re: My refusal to have a blog per se, comments, technorati,
and icon-mania (Tom Higgins)
12. FSM: Another cultural sighting... (Stephen D. Williams)
13. Travel: What to do at Madison Square, NY for one evening (Sat N)
14. Re: FSM: Another cultural sighting... (Andy Armstrong)
15. blogs and journalism (Justin Mason)
16. Re: Travel: What to do at Madison Square, NY for one evening
(Albert Boulanger)
17. Re: "Ron Kind spent tax dollars to pay teenage girls to watch
pornographic movies." (Bill Humphries)
18. refreshing (Corinna)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 15:51:50 -0500
From: "Stephen D. Williams" 
Subject: [FoRK] Quotes - 200611 - OBSESSED is just a word the LAZY use
to describe the DEDICATED.
To: fork at xent.com
Message-ID: &lt;454908E6.9030608 at lig.net&gt;
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

http://quotes.ascharlott.com/index.php?cat=all

"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans ... unless they 
have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be 
too much of a good thing." -- Karl Rove

OBSESSED is just a word the LAZY use to describe the DEDICATED.
Russell Warren

This is my body. And I can do whatever I want to it. I can push it, 
study it, tweak it, listen to it. Everybody wants to know what I'm on. 
What am I on? I'm on my bike busting my ass six hours a day. What are 
you on?
Lance Armstrong

Morality ... is the wisdom that prevents sacrificing long-term happiness 
for short-term happiness.
Gerald M. Weinberg

Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.
Charles Darwin

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy 
enough people to make it worth the effort.
Herm Albrig

It is a curious fact that of all the illusions that beset mankind none 
is quite so curious as the tendency to suppose that we are mentally and 
morally superior to those that differ from us in opinion.
Elbert Hubbard

Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools talk because 
they have to say something.
Plato

I am prepared to meet my Maker. Whether my Maker is prepared for the 
great ordeal of meeting me is another matter.
Winston Churchill

Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it 
takes to sit down and listen.
Winston Churchill

"Look at me, I'm a grad student. I'm 30 years old and I made $600 last 
year."
"Bart, don't make fun of grad students. They've just made a terrible 
life choice."
Bart (Nancy Cartwright) &amp; Marge (Julie Kavner) Simpson
The Simpsons

Black holes are where God divided by zero.
Stephen Wright

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we 
can solve them.
Isaac Asimov

Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's 
troublesome.
Isaac Asimov

The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new 
discoveries, is not "Eureka!" but "That's funny..."
Isaac Asimov




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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 13:52:02 -0700
From: Matt Jensen 
Subject: Re: [FoRK] My refusal to have a blog per se, comments,
technorati, and icon-mania
To: fork at xent.com
Message-ID: &lt;20061101135202.5wq7o98to4rkgw8s at 216.194.106.19&gt;
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes";
format="flowed"

Quoting Jeff Bone :

&gt; NO COMMENTS, do you hear?
&gt;
&gt; Why, you ask? (Well, maybe you didn't ask, but you should have.)

But you said "NO COMMENTS"! :-)

Coincidentally, I'm working on a little project I hope to turn into a 
paper for ICWSM [1], doing blog analytics on comments versus 
blog-to-blog links. Researchers have so far tended to ignore 
comments. (Lucas, if you can dig up that paper reference you 
mentioned, I'd appreciate it a lot.)

Matt Jensen
http://mattjensen.com
Seattle

[1] International Conference on Weblogs and Social Media Mar. 2007
http://www.icwsm.org/
(As with previous conferences, BlogPulse can provide researchers 
with gigabytes of blog data.)



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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:57:51 -0800
From: "Dr. Ernie Prabhakar" 
Subject: Re: [FoRK] Quotes - 200611 - OBSESSED is just a word the LAZY
use to describe the DEDICATED.
To: "Stephen D. Williams" 
Cc: fork at xent.com
Message-ID: &lt;456997CF-78C2-40C1-8842-58DD4FE5CC15 at radicalcentrism.org&gt;
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

On Nov 1, 2006, at 12:51 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
&gt; It is a curious fact that of all the illusions that beset mankind 
&gt; none is quite so curious as the tendency to suppose that we are 
&gt; mentally and morally superior to those that differ from us in opinion.
&gt; Elbert Hubbard

:-)

- Ernie P.



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 16:14:02 -0500
From: "Stephen D. Williams" 
Subject: Re: [FoRK] Quotes - 200611 - OBSESSED is just a word the LAZY
use to describe the DEDICATED.
To: "Dr. Ernie Prabhakar" 
Cc: fork at xent.com
Message-ID: &lt;45490E1A.5060501 at lig.net&gt;
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

Dr. Ernie Prabhakar wrote:
&gt; On Nov 1, 2006, at 12:51 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
&gt;&gt; It is a curious fact that of all the illusions that beset mankind 
&gt;&gt; none is quite so curious as the tendency to suppose that we are 
&gt;&gt; mentally and morally superior to those that differ from us in opinion.
&gt;&gt; Elbert Hubbard
&gt;
&gt; :-)
&gt;
&gt; - Ernie P.
I thought that one was apt, but it didn't fit on the subject line.

I'm sure I've FoRKed this before:

"Don't confuse arrogance with chronic correctness." - sdw (circa 1998)
I don't know if my coworkers appreciated the recursively faux-arrogant 
irony at the time, but it was funny.
At the same time, it's sometimes true. In fact, it's a line that House 
or his buddy should use.

We were not in fact arrogant at all, we just tended to race ahead of the 
in-house developers. I later worked with a guy who I still tell people 
about.

sdw



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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:06:34 +0000
From: "Russell Turpin" 
Subject: RE: [FoRK] My refusal to have a blog per se, comments,
technorati, and icon-mania
To: fork at xent.com
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed

Jeff Bone wrote:
&gt;When I feel the need to have an actual "blog" .. there will be NO freakin' 
&gt;comments. .. Why, you ask? .. Because the Web is built by human interaction 
&gt;through interlinked expression via discrete, named pieces of content. 
&gt;Which is a fancy way of saying: content's valuable, but links are equally 
&gt;value, as they express a variety of things that are not directly expressed 
&gt;in a single piece of content.

Hmmmm. To me, this argument overlooks an issue of granularity. Should
each sentence should be its own page with its own URI, only composed
into one document by virtue of links? The answer isn't trivially "no,"
because I can imagine applications where it might be useful to
reference individual sentences within documents. Requirements tracking
software often does something such as this.

Still. Is the useful unit of granularity for blogs each individual
comment, or the entire sequence woven into a discussion? In the ideal
world, the answer is: view it however you want. On the web as it
exists now, those boundaries are real, even if soft, and at least for
me, I prefer blogs that are discussions, though I make exceptions for
a couple of writers.

Of course: your blog, your rules. ;-)

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:11:13 +0000
From: "Russell Turpin" 
Subject: [FoRK] Austin startup job opportunities
To: fork at xent.com
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed

We're looking:

http://www.caringo.com/company_jobs.html

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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 00:26:52 +0000
From: "Russell Turpin" 
Subject: [FoRK] "Ron Kind spent tax dollars to pay teenage girls to
watch pornographic movies."
To: fork at xent.com
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=517940

How can you not like Ron Kind? Were I in his district, I'd
enter the voting booth with that image in my mind. =:-)

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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 00:35:21 +0000
From: Tony Finch 
Subject: Re: [FoRK] My refusal to have a blog per se, comments,
technorati, and icon-mania
To: Tom Higgins 
Cc: FoRK 
Message-ID: 

Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

On Wed, 1 Nov 2006, Tom Higgins wrote:
&gt;
&gt; There are the blogs that speak to a personal experience of life and
&gt; living.
&gt;
&gt; There are the link blogs
&gt;
&gt; There is the portal blog
&gt;
&gt; Then there is the everything to everyone blog

I like technical blogs. Most of the ones I read are more or less personal,
depending on how much the author is writing a diary or describing cool
stuff they have invented or encountered. (Mine is less personal - my
wife writes about the personal things.) At the other end of the scale is,
for example, lambda-the-ultimate, which is somewhere between a link blog
and a portal blog.

Tony.
-- 
f.a.n.finch http://dotat.at/
SHANNON: EAST VEERING SOUTHEAST 4 OR 5. MODERATE OR ROUGH. FAIR. GOOD.


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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 18:25:30 -0800
From: Adam L Beberg 
Subject: Re: [FoRK] My refusal to have a blog per se, comments,
technorati, and icon-mania
Cc: FoRK 
Message-ID: &lt;4549571A.2030805 at mithral.com&gt;
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

A blog w/o comments is just... journalism. Which as you know is lame and 
only OLD people do it. Like email. It's sooooooooo bubble 1.0.

It's important to understand that blogs are an egocentric thing, 
otherwise you call it a column/article. Since they cater to the same 
primal need as sex, it's a group thing too.

Blog with comments = ego orgy.
Blog w/o comments = ego masturbation.

I'm waiting for dot-com 3.0 - revenge of the fact finders. Where people 
pay other people to go find facts and report on them. We could call it a 
News Agency(TM). It will be cool as hell, and of course XXXHTML with 
direct Rectal Simple Syndication (RSS) 4.0 feeds!

-- 
Adam L. Beberg
http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/


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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 21:28:40 -0500
From: "Luis Villa" 
Subject: Re: [FoRK] My refusal to have a blog per se, comments,
technorati, and icon-mania
To: "Adam L Beberg" 
Cc: FoRK 
Message-ID:
&lt;2cb10c440611011828g70fb2a50mdb1c85e016efc0b at mail.gmail.com&gt;
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

On 11/1/06, Adam L Beberg wrote:
&gt; I'm waiting for dot-com 3.0 - revenge of the fact finders. Where people
&gt; pay other people to go find facts and report on them.

http://newassignment.net/

Luis (always excited to make Beberg's day)


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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 20:46:00 -0800
From: "Tom Higgins" 
Subject: Re: [FoRK] My refusal to have a blog per se, comments,
technorati, and icon-mania
To: FoRK 
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

On 11/1/06, Adam L Beberg wrote:

&gt; I'm waiting for dot-com 3.0 - revenge of the fact finders. Where people
&gt; pay other people to go find facts and report on them. We could call it a
&gt; News Agency(TM). It will be cool as hell, and of course XXXHTML with
&gt; direct Rectal Simple Syndication (RSS) 4.0 feeds!

Then of course there is dotdiggycomblognetthing 4.0 where in facts
will be made for you given the answer to a simple 10 question form.
(ajaxoff driven). Your personal set of blogs all tied together
thematically will tie into a bloglines/tecnocratization/whuffie system
that will debit/credit your account upon dissemination of your data.

Come on forkers, some one should be able to VC that paragraph for at
least 1st round burn through...if you do a nice gift basket with 100$s
and a nice fruit assortment is all I ask..well that and an account:)-

-tomhiggins


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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 00:28:53 -0500
From: "Stephen D. Williams" 
Subject: [FoRK] FSM: Another cultural sighting...
To: Fork at xent.com
Message-ID: &lt;45498215.9070702 at lig.net&gt;
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

TiVo tuned into South Park for some reason while I sit here writing.

Dawkins ends up teaching evolution in Science class and introduces the 
fundamentalist sexually reassigned teacher to the FSM, sort of.
And then... Well, you know South Park.

sdw



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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:49:27 -0800
From: "Sat N" 
Subject: [FoRK] Travel: What to do at Madison Square, NY for one
evening
To: fork at xent.com
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Any special restaurents to try or places to go etc?.

( Assuming my flight doesn't get caught in flow control for 5 hrs )


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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 10:29:46 +0000
From: Andy Armstrong 
Subject: Re: [FoRK] FSM: Another cultural sighting...
To: Stephen D.Williams 
Cc: Fork at xent.com
Message-ID: &lt;49F681BD-3EED-4012-9862-372F51C52B6B at hexten.net&gt;
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

On 2 Nov 2006, at 05:28, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
&gt; TiVo tuned into South Park for some reason while I sit here writing.

It was much easier to find excuses for watching light entertainment 
in the old, real time, one TV, handful of stations days. "The kids 
had it on", "There was nothing else on"

:)

-- 
Andy Armstrong, hexten.net



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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 10:57:22 +0000
From: jm at jmason.org (Justin Mason)
Subject: [FoRK] blogs and journalism
To: fork at xent.com
Message-ID: &lt;20061102105722.947AD2F0003 at radish.jmason.org&gt;

Adam L Beberg:
&gt; A blog w/o comments is just... journalism. Which as you know is lame and 
&gt; only OLD people do it. Like email. It's sooooooooo bubble 1.0.

Newsflash: most blogs -- particularly software-development ones -- are
*not* journalism. They're a person wittering on about his/her opinions on
stuff that interests them. Considering that journalism -- now *that*
would be ego masturbation ;)

--j.


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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 07:27:57 -0500
From: Albert Boulanger 
Subject: Re: [FoRK] Travel: What to do at Madison Square, NY for one
evening
To: Sat N 
Cc: fork at xent.com
Message-ID: &lt;4549E44D.1030101 at ldeo.columbia.edu&gt;
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

You plopped your self into Danny Meyer restaurant territory. There are 
several to choose from in this area. And there are so many others that 
are good in the Gramercy Park area:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Meyer
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/03/sunday/main542606.shtml

If you like American Roots music, check out the free bands at the Rodeo 
Bar on 27th and 3rd.(Norah Joannes played there Halloween.).
Also good margaritas.
http://www.rodeobar.com/

Regards,
Albert Boulanger

Sat N wrote:
&gt; Any special restaurents to try or places to go etc?.
&gt;
&gt; ( Assuming my flight doesn't get caught in flow control for 5 hrs )
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 16:34:19 -0800
From: Bill Humphries 
Subject: Re: [FoRK] "Ron Kind spent tax dollars to pay teenage girls
to watch pornographic movies."
To: "Russell Turpin" 
Cc: fork at xent.com
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed


On Nov 1, 2006, at 4:26 PM, Russell Turpin wrote:

&gt; http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=517940
&gt;
&gt; How can you not like Ron Kind? Were I in his district, I'd
&gt; enter the voting booth with that image in my mind. =:-)

Tale of the Tape:

Ron Kind
Age: 43
Address; time in district: *********; lifelong resident
Occupation: U.S. congressman
Elective Offices: Five terms in the U.S. Congress
Family: Married; two children
Education: Bachelor's degree, Harvard; master's degree, London School 
of Economics; law degree, University of Minnesota

Paul R. Nelson
Age: 40
Address time in district: **********; 31 years
Occupation: real estate agent
Elective offices, other government experience: none
Family: married; four children
Education: High school diploma

And while I realize that education isn't the sole determinant of 
suitability for public office (cf. Bill Frist) in this case...

-- whump


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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 13:11:32 -0600
From: Corinna 
Subject: [FoRK] refreshing
To: fork at xent.com
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Call me naive, but there's something pretty refreshing about this list. 
*My* comments don't look like this. At worst, I'll do //? or // why?? 
(but only temporarily!)


http://www.jwz.org/doc/censorzilla.html


-Corinna



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