House Rules Re: [FoRK] The drum beat continues
Jeff Bone <
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Tue Nov 21 00:14:19 PST 2006
On Nov 20, 2006, at 5:56 PM, Russell Turpin wrote:
>> The short answer (which even if trite is still true) is that I
>> believe in Christianity for the same reason I believe in science:
>> though deeply flawed, both work much better -- for a longer period
>> of time -- than any of the other alternatives that have been tried.
To Dr. Ernie: Christianity == long-term good? Turn the other
cheek? You must be joking. Father's house, many mansions ---
REALLY? And what, maybe 69 virgins, too? At least the freakin'
Muslims falsely promise some visceral rewards. Read Twain: I don't
fucking want harps and hymns forever, I can only do karaoke when
drunk, for Christ's sake! Forward-looking good? Really? How many
have died in His name? How many atrocities committed? How much
anguish, how much suffering, how much corruption and exploitation?
How much continuous, ongoing suppression of the human potential? How
much authoritarianism? How much anti-progress? How much non-
reason? (I'm sure you've heard of Copernicus, Kepler, Gallileo, and
their troubles and theo-political compromises...) How much failure?
How much arrogance? How much self-righteousness? How much
ignorance? HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH? How, in the scope of history, is
Christianity any different from that other blood-stained, and oh-so-
more au-contemps, "religion of peace" --- ISLAM?!?
Show me 10 righteous (Christian) men, and I will spare the world.
Paraphrasing, of course, and for evocative purpose. Surely you get
it. Put more contemporarily and less politically: show me 10
"righteous" (Muslim) men, and I will show you several terrorists.
What will it take for otherwise reasonable people to break from
tradition and LOUDLY proclaim THE TRUTH: that RELIGION ---
regardless of variety --- is at best a quaint social-evolutionary
anachronism: a biological, instinctive means to keep us melded in
smallish tribes and to keep mothers from murdering rival's
daughters? What will it take for us to finally admit that RELIGION
is nothing more than a SOCIALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASE, borne by the
males, and particularly the young ones that have limited reproductive
opportunity? Is 9/11 --- really --- not enough of an existence proof?
WHAT DOES IT TAKE, REALLY?
> What facts does the Christian god explain?
None, inasmuch as He's never authored a book, personally. As far as
I, or any *non-ignorant Christian theologist* that I'm aware of, know.
On the other hand, there is a significant --- some might say
"significant" --- correspondence between Biblical folklore and both
archaeological fact and plausible extrapolation. Even such
apparently "miraculous" events as the culling of the firstborn of
Egypt and the parting of the Red Sea, when put into proper historical
(I hesitate to say "scientific" for fear of offending the theists)
context make some amount of sense. (I saw a show on "Ashbiel-Ploos"
--- i.e., HBO Plus --- in Spanish in Mexico last week that, let me
tell you brudda, was VERY convincing. ;-) But the question is one
mythopoesis, as always.
I myself have nothing to say on the existence of God that is likely
to be persuasive, one way or the other, to Him. On the other hand,
though a Skeptic, I remain quite open to any such persuasive
arguments He might wish to personally make. I have, as yet, seen no
such persuasive arguments.
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