[FoRK] Re: "Thanks for the Facts. Now Sell Them."

Lion Kimbro <lionkimbro at gmail.com> on Fri Apr 20 11:58:31 PDT 2007

On 4/20/07, Tom Higgins <tomhiggins at gmail.com> wrote:
> Its a nice glowy thought to hold, that the sum of all things is a
> thing itself with "conscience" but we are in no position now to say
> that with a certainty that would border on scientific.


  Now **this** is a straw man.

  Straw Man Step I:
    [ X ] Construct an argument that the opponent didn't make.

    Argument:   "My opposition says that the sum of all things
                       is itself a thing itself with consciousness."

> We can guess,
> we can hope or wish, but being as we are observant of only a small
> local section of the verse and those other parts we see we only see
> slices of that out flesh sacks can deal with then frankly I am as wary
> of folks factualizing the "consciences" of the whole myth. Its a great
> myth, do not get me wrong, and it makes as feel all warm and
> encompassed by some all pervasive "force"....but to base anything
> on...I mean you might as well go for the FSM or Great Gigglesnort or
> any of the desert mythos that are so damn popular amongst todays mass
> murderers..

  Straw Man Step II:
    [ X ]  Destroy the argument, with all firepower available.

  What is really amazing, is that I have, repeatedly, vigorously,
  denied exactly what you are claiming I'm saying.

  Here's just one example, pulled quickly:
 The book doesn't say that the universe has an independent
 consciousness-- it says that the universe has become conscious,
 and that scientists (who we presume are telling the story to you)
 are telling its story to you.

  Did you just misunderstand my position, or are you intentionally
  distorting it?

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