[FoRK] Lion, rationality, reason, and seriousness
<lionkimbro at gmail.com> on
Wed May 9 12:31:03 PDT 2007
On 5/9/07, Albert S. <albert.scherbinsky at rogers.com> wrote:
> --- Lion Kimbro <lionkimbro at gmail.com> wrote:
> > "Rationalize your existence! *wpsh!* DO IT!
"Rational": Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!
Lion: Order, eh -- who does he think he is?
R: I am fully-informed rationality!
L: Well, I don't see your axiomatic theory.
R: You don't *derive* fully-informed rationality.
L: Well, 'ow did you become rational then?
R: The genetic code,
evolved over hundreds of millions of years, clad in the
purest Guanine, Adonine, Cytocine, and Thymine,
held aloft a brain from successive developments of
species, and educated by the greatest of psychological
insights, signifying by fully rational reasoning, that I,
FoRKer, was to carry the Title --
...that is why I am rational!
L: Listen -- strange codes lying in primordial soups
distributing survival instincts is no basis for a system
of rational thought. Supreme truths derive from
provably logical sequiters over agreed upon axioms,
not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!
R: Be Quiet!
L: I mean, if I went around saying I was arguably rational
because I was raping women and murdering men,
because my chromosomes demanded it, they'd put me
R: Shut up! Will you shut up!
L: Ah, now we see the inability to respond to rational
arguments, inherent in the system!
R: Shut up!
L: Oh! Come see the lack of axioms!
R: Bloody peasant.
L: Oh, what a give away. Did you hear that, did you
hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about -- did you see
his lack of axioms and sequiters, you saw it, didn't you?
My point is, "Evolution" is not a reason to live, rather than
not to live, unless we imagine "Evolution" in a sort of
anthropomorphized, willful sense. And if Evolution is willful,
Evolution is a son of Passion.
Evolution, not-anthro'ed, is a mathematical phenomenon,
and not a rational element for deciding whether life is worth
living, or otherwise.
> By this,
> one could argue that those who raise reason above
> passion are more human.
If a guys passionate about knowledge, and learning, and in
love with learning about the world, and perhaps justifies it as
part of the effort to save life on Earth, or ensuring *some* sort
of future for life (in whatever form) in our solar system, I can
understand that as human.
But if it's just a person striving to be Spock out of
some mad (and I'm arguing that it *is* mad,) obsession with
incarnating his anthropomorphized vision of "Rational," I have
a harder time calling that "human." It's clear that people falling
into human foibles are human as well, but I don't have to like it..!
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