[FoRK] Christians and atheists start a calmer dialogue (not here,
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Thu May 10 14:43:15 PDT 2007
On May 10, 2007, at 4:04 PM, Jeffrey Winter wrote:
>>> So no, you don't get treated with respect
> What percentage of humanity do you suppose is worthy of respect?
Sadly, very little. But it's always been like that; any progress
we've made as a species has been made by very few, and despite the
best (or worst) efforts of all the rest.
All right, hold on, let me set one thing straight, here. I can have
a tremendous amount of respect for a talented artist or musician or
scientist, let's say, even if they're bug-fuck nutso. I have
tremendous respect for the work of, for example, John Nash --- again,
bug-fuck nutso. The respect I'm talking about, in general, is
I can, and have, had many a civil interaction with Dr. Ernie, despite
the fact that he's bug-fuck nutso. Hell, half my family's right-wing
Xian culture warrior --- yes, b.f.n. --- yet family holidays and
vacations don't usually turn into bitter, acrimonious verbal brawls.
But: they know better than to try to peddle their particular brand
of crazy to me, or when I'm around. And they know that if they let
their particular brand of crazy infect their politics, and they talk
about *that* --- then again, they're going to get the biggest verbal
wedgie of ridicule and disgust I can muster up to give to them. And
then they'll shut up, and I'll shut up, and we'll go back to playing
gin rummy. Or whatever.
The point of my acrimony when the topic of religion comes up is
this: throughout human history, ever since the first con man /
shaman came up with the idea of the Big Kahunas in the Clouds,
societal pressure has existed to tolerate --- say it soothingly,
taaaaaaawlerrrate --- that bullshit. It's impolite, impolitic,
OFFENSIVE, and socially unacceptable --- taboo, heresy --- to
question the shaman, their teachings, their beliefs.
Well, it's time to break free of that. It's complete crap that the
religious would define morality and standards for everyone else, yet
they're so damn *touchy* about having their freakish little myths
hauled out into the harsh light of reality and questioned. Too
fucking bad for those sensitivities. It's time to undo all the
damage that's been done. Religion is no longer --- ahem ---
sacrosanct on the fields of public discourse.
That's my cause, and I'm sticking with it.
You want respect? I'm quite happy to give it to you, even if you are
b.f.n; just not in the context of religious debate, and not if
you're actively working to spread your b.f.n poison, or defend the
sacrosanct status quo, or otherwise impede the roadmap of possible
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