[FoRK] invasion was much better than Cats lets do it again and again

Ian Andrew Bell <hello at ianbell.com> on Fri May 25 11:58:48 PDT 2007

This whole Ethanol fuel thing would be all hunky-dory if it didn't  
take thousands of gallons of oil derivatives per acre to grow it.   
The ONLY reason why Ethanol is a "cheaper" source of fuel is because  
of all of the subsidies which exist in the US and Canada to nurture  
the growth of canola and corn, from which Biodiesel and Ethanol can  
be derived, instead of real crops that could end up on our dinner  
table.  But here's the hitch:  we still need to import oil to grow  
our gasoline in an Ethanol scenario.  Without oil-based fertilizers  
and diesel for tractors and farm equipment, we would have no corn.

Our fields should be used to grow food, not gasoline.  Show me a  
country that doesn't subsidize corn as a crop, and I'll show you a  
country that thinks that Ethanol is a joke.

Follow the money, folks:


BUSH is a big Ethanol supporter because it suits the short-sighted  
needs of his constituents:  namely, red-state farmers and their  
enslavers:  biotech companies like Monsanto who collectively spend  
hundreds of millions of dollars per year lobbying in Washington.

North America in particular is addicted to corn, and it's affecting  
us around every corner:

-  Our obesity epidemic is in large part the result of the overuse of  
High Fructose Corn Syrup as a replacement for sugar,
-  The evolution of new species of control-resistant weeds and insect  
is due to the corruptive influence of Genetically-Modified Corn and  
-  And now, we're hooking ourselves up to the Ethanol addiction.   

Soon enough every square inch of arable land will be occupied by  
canola and corn destined for soft drinks, junk food, and gas tanks.   
And the intricate system of subsidies which allows people to declare  
that HFCS is cheaper than sugar will continue to skew the economic  
system so that these crops look viable, until someone has the balls  
to stand up and declare how ridiculous the whole circle jerk has become.

Of course, no politician wants to confront the reality here, which is  
that North American farming practises have been so poor that hearty  
weed-like plants such as Corn and Canola are far easier to grow in  
our increasingly depleted soil table.  This is a problem which  
Europeans confronted centuries ago.

Like Hydrogen, Ethanol is a storage medium for fuel.  It's not a source.


On 25-May-07, at 11:05 AM, Albert S. wrote:

> Disclaimer: Although it may look that way, I'm not an
> advocate for nor a spokesperson for the Bush
> Administration. I'm Canadian, so I don't vote in the
> great down yonder. Although I have my reasons for not
> liking the Bush Administration all that much I'm still
> trying to look at all the facts.
> I do think that there are some facts to support the
> idea that the Bush Administration is doing things
> which aggressively actively support the domestic
> ethanol industry in the USA. The first is corn
> subsidies for corn farmers and second is very high
> import tariffs for ethanol produced outside the USA.
> Some reason why ethanol makes a whole lot of sense
> are:
> i)  It replaces MTBE a toxic fuel Oxygenate.
> ii) It can be blended with gasoline up to 10% without
> the need to modify existing automobiles.
> iii) It displaces gasoline produced with Crude
> imported from the enemy.(Canada is friendly fire in
> this respect)
> Regards,
> Albert
> --- Jeff Bone <jbone at place.org> wrote:
>> On May 25, 2007, at 8:57 AM, Albert S. wrote:
>>> --- Jeff Bone <jbone at place.org> wrote:
>>>> I've seen absolutely no evidence that this is
>> real
>>>> "policy" rather
>>>> than rhetoric...
>>> Some evidence:
>>> http://www.cbot.com/cbot/docs/79564.pdf
>> Oh, I'm not at all disputing that there's been a
>> significant uptick
>> in fuel-ethanol production and consumption.  I just
>> don't think that
>> has a bit to do with George Bush or some "policy"
>> and everything to
>> do with consumer sentiment / demand, growing
>> "green-ness" (ironically
>> it's questionable whether ethanol fuels are better
>> or worse on
>> various "green" metrics) and general public interest
>> in oil
>> alternatives.  In fact, the demand for corn ethanol
>> has increased so
>> much that the upward price pressure on corn is being
>> felt in food end-
>> products...
>> jb
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