[FoRK] Ross Douthat on Secularism (vs. Atheism)

Stephen D. Williams <sdw at lig.net> on Fri Jun 1 10:23:40 PDT 2007

+10 Blinding Light of Reason (BLR) has overpowered +5 Holy Mace.
+1

sdw

Tom Higgins wrote:
> On 6/1/07, Dr. Ernie Prabhakar <drernie at radicalcentrism.org> wrote:
>> I hesitate to bring this up, but I do think this is a worthy
>> distinction. I wonder how many FoRKers are really more concerned
>> about encouraging secularism than atheism per se...
> 
> 
> Given the terminology in your post I think its safe to say we are  in
> a HARD religious phase of history; jihads, moral majorities, rampant
> evangelism in the gov, outright attacks on secularism, etc etc. It
> would be nice if religious folks could live in a SOFT state, to live
> and let live, but what we have now is a "We are gods chosen and you
> either belong or get converted/marginalized/eradicated"
> 
> Why would it be a better thing for folks who are being forced to
> become converted/marginalized/eradicated to be SOFT in their defense?
> 
> Come on Dr Ernine, I know you do not like the idea but a large enough
> force of religious groups have called a war on both any culture,
> thoughts or people who are not of their body so much so they openly
> call themselves Culture Warriors, Gods Warriors, etc etc etc. It is a
> repugnant position to find yourself stuck in and it should indeed
> cause you a great amount of reflection and thought. Sitting down and
> shutting up while the missionaries/warriors try to wipe out other
> cultures and systems of thought may be the option of most ease...if
> your on the side of "god".. but for the rest of us it makes very
> little sense to continue to treat this as anything other than what it
> is being called  by the folks who are  swinging the +5 holy maces of
> "STFU and be converted/marginalized/eradicated" (save vs reason)
> 
> You want to attain a state of SOFTness all around? Stop the bombings
> of clinics, the beheading of non believers,  the attack on the
> schools, and the war on non religious culture.
> If you believe in prayer that might be a good thing to pray on. In the
> end though the choice is in each of our hands, hearts and minds. How
> we treat each other as humans and not members of some particular
> grouping is for me the way to tell if a person is doing good or evil.
> 
> Good night and good luck.
> 
> tomhiggins
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