[FoRK] Should Exist: a new UNIX shell

Jeff Bone <jbone at place.org> on Wed Jun 6 07:31:05 PDT 2007

On Jun 5, 2007, at 11:35 PM, Lion Kimbro wrote:

> On 6/5/07, Russell Turpin <deafbox at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> But that really is "on the line." In the large, it's hard to imagine
>> languages that encourage more side effects and subtle
>> environmental dependencies than shells. Is that necessary?
>> Or can it be cured?
>  How do SmallTalk/Squeak communities deal with this?

The same way Lisp guys used to, the same way MUD folks do, and the  
same way Emacs users currently do:  by drinking the Kool-Aid.  It's a  
pro / con sort of thing;  for all-inclusive all-encompassing  
environments, you pretty much have to commit to living in the  
environment exclusively in order to get the full benefit of the  
environment.  And those benefits are substantial.  But the downside  
is that you're largely locked into that environment;  dealing with  
"the outside world" is higher-impedance than dealing with in- 
environment tools;  and extracting your stuff / sharing it with  
others is somewhat more tedious, as the environment *is* the  


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