What is GEB about? Re: Book recommendation Re: [FoRK] Re: anybody
<lionkimbro at gmail.com> on
Mon Jul 9 14:49:52 PDT 2007
On 7/9/07, Jeff Bone <jbone at place.org> wrote:
> The money shot: "In a word, GEB is a very personal attempt to say
> how it is that animate beings can come out of inanimate matter."
I have no difficulty understanding how animate beings
can come out of inanimate matter.
Actually, I have to take that back-- the whole universe
is animated -- every particle is moving, shaking, zipping
More appropriately, "How do animate beings come out
of an animate world?" But that's trivial.
The hard question of consciousness is, "Why is there
any experience of any of it, at all?"
You don't have to be Hofstadter to conjecture that "any
self-modifying, self-referential, multilayered system
automatically produces an experience;" This is pretty
much (vaguely) what just about any scientifically oriented
person comes up with when you say, "Well, how do you
explain consciousness?" Because everything we look
at that we think probably has something experiencing
something inside of it, is a self-modifying, self-referential,
But that "explanation" has no proof, no tests, anything
of the sort.
The thing that I *like* about it, is that it admits, "Well,
yes, we are having an experience, and experience is
something." Once someone sees that, they have
to explain stuff, whether it's a fairy tale set against a
scientific background set, (such as Hofstadter's,)
or one against a religious background, or merely
a collection of possibilities, and understanding of
what those possibilities entail (my personal favorite.)
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