[FoRK] The State of Consciousness Studies
Stephen D. Williams
<sdw at lig.net> on
Mon Jul 16 17:24:28 PDT 2007
Lion Kimbro wrote:
> On 7/16/07, Lion Kimbro <lionkimbro at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Consciousness isn't behavior.
>> It's subjective experience.
> When I say this--
> Do you **get this?**
Yes, of course. It can be experienced and it can be measured externally.
> Do you understand what I'm talking about?
> You realize that I'm not talking about something
> that can be measured, or calculated, or timed,
> or put under a microscope, right?
It can be measured and talked about to some extent by sufficiently
> If you don't realize that, we're not talking the
> same language here.
> I'm not talking about a brain in the hand, (or in a head,)
> I'm talking about what it is like to *be* a brain.
I can describe my mind / consciousness by analogy and differential
experience description, at least. I can't describe much about how it
works, but that is not the subjective experience that you are referring
to. I can only begin to describe what it is like because I have a rich
set of analogies (computers and software for instance) and because I
have a lot of information about how closely others seem to be thinking
like I do.
> That's the difference here.
> (And it is a material/relevant difference,
> and it is a material/real difference.)
Why is it useful?
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